CSS - Drop Down Menu Overlapping Content

Hello everyone,

I have a drop-down menu that is currently working well.

The only change I need to make is to have the right edge of the drop-down menu to align with the right edge of the parent menu. When you hover over the menu, it currently "drops" down and to the right, with the left edges aligned.

I want the menu to "drop" down and to the left, so the right edges are aligned.

I have tried fiddling with floats and absolute/relative positioning. I'm not sure what needs to be changed.

Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated! I'm learning via "cut and paste", so please go easy on any terminology you may use.

Thank you!

Here is the page: http://www.littlebuddymedia.com/site05/012.html



The menu currently drops like this (aligned along the left edge): http://www.justskins.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/drop-down-menu.gif



I want the menu to do this (align along the right edge; see how "Artists" is aligned under "Music" along the right edge): http://artatm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mtvmenu.JPG

Here is my code:

Code:

.chromestyle{
     width: 100%;
     font-weight: bold;
     float: left;
     height: 29px;
}

.chromestyle:after{ /*Add margin between menu and rest of content in Firefox*/
content: "."; 
display: block; 
height: 0; 
clear: both; 
visibility: hidden;
}

.chromestyle ul{
border: 0px solid #BBB;
width: 100%;
background: url(chromebg.gif) center center repeat-x; /*THEME CHANGE HERE*/
padding: 4px 0;
margin: 0;
text-align: right; /*set value to "left", "center", or "right"*/
}

.chromestyle ul li{
display: inline;
}

.chromestyle ul li a{
color: #000000;
padding: 4px 7px;
margin: 0;
text-decoration: none;
border-left: 1px solid #DADADA;
}

.chromestyle ul li a:hover, .chromestyle ul li a.selected{ /*script dynamically adds a class of "selected" to the current active menu item*/
background: url(chromebg-over.gif) center center repeat-x; /*THEME CHANGE HERE*/
}

/* ######### Style for Drop Down Menu ######### */

.dropmenudiv{
position:absolute;
top: 0;
border: 1px solid #BBB; /*THEME CHANGE HERE*/
border-bottom-width: 0;
font:normal 12px Verdana;
line-height:18px;
z-index:100;
background-color: white;
width: 200px;
visibility: hidden;
}


.dropmenudiv a{
width: auto;
display: block;
text-indent: 3px;
border-bottom: 1px solid #BBB; /*THEME CHANGE HERE*/
padding: 2px 5px;
text-decoration: none;
font-weight: bold;
color: black;
}

* html .dropmenudiv a{ /*IE only hack*/
width: 100%;
}

.dropmenudiv a:hover{ /*THEME CHANGE HERE*/
background-color: #0000ff;
color: #fff200;
}

http://www.yentiming.com/

just play around with the menu on IE7 and you will see what will happen.
i have tried messing around with z-index but i have found no success
any ideas on how to fix this?

I am creating a dropdown menu based on suckerfish. The top level appears correctly, however the first submenu level puts all the menu items stacked over top of eachother right under the top level. Everything is correct except the items are overlapping. My html and css are below.

<ul id="nav">
<li style="border-left: none;">
<link here>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
<link here>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
<li>
<link here>
</li>
</ul>


#nav, #nav ul {
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
list-style: none;
}

#nav a {
display: block;
}

#nav li {
float: left;
padding: 0px 10px 0px 10px;
}

#nav li ul {
position: absolute;
width: 200px;
color: #FFF;
background-color: #000;
left: -999em;
}

#nav li:hover ul {
left: auto;
}

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}

#nav li ul ul {
margin: -1em 0 0 10em;
}

#nav, #nav ul {
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
list-style: none;
line-height: 1;
}

#nav li:hover ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul {
left: -999em;
}

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul, #nav li li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}

#nav li:hover ul ul, #nav li:hover ul ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul ul {
left: -999em;
}

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li li:hover ul, #nav li li li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul, #nav li li.sfhover ul, #nav li li li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}

#nav li:hover ul ul, #nav li:hover ul ul ul, #nav li:hover ul ul ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul ul, #nav li.sfhover ul ul ul ul {
left: -999em;
}

#nav li:hover ul, #nav li li:hover ul, #nav li li li:hover ul, #nav li li li li:hover ul, #nav li.sfhover ul, #nav li li.sfhover ul, #nav li li li.sfhover ul, #nav li li li li.sfhover ul {
left: auto;
}

My CSS is pulled pretty much straight from suckerfish. there are a few small changes like the widths and background color, but the issue was there even when it was a direct copy. Currently I am only trying to get this to in firefox, as I am getting the same issue in every browser I try.

Just an fyi, I am using umbraco as the CMS for this site, and it is generating the html for the menu. There are actual links I just cant post them as I am new here, they contain just the hfer attribute.

Thanks

I'm using The Man in Blue's "footerStickAlt" code to ensure a footer sticks at the bottom of the page even with *short* content.

No problem there til I resize my browser window. When the browser window shortened and I scroll down, the footer has jumped up and is concealing part of the menu. Yikes.

Pages where the content is longer than the menu are fine, so I haven't uploaded them. It's only when content is shorter than the menu that this issue arises ~ which is the exact issue it's supposed to be tackling!

Flaw/s in the code?

I've already tried ripping out the horizontal min-widths and it seems there's no conflict there. From what I can make out, it's just a matter between the menu and the footer.... altho, when the browser is shortened in the way I've described the actual footer moves higher than it should be. Still, can't believe it's blueman at fault here. Must be something I've missed or tagged wrong. Or maybe it just doesn't work with this kind of menu?

For reference, Blue Man's original code is he http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/

Am just hoping the clever folk here will have some advice. I've burnt the whole day on this to no avail :|

I've worked out most css problems but I can't find any css that will make the drop down menu on my site sit on top of the YouTube video that you can see he www the-bizness .co. .uk

If you click on Home Page or Multimedia the drop-down menu is behind the video clip.

Very annoying. Any help appreciated!

Following sample is from http://www.code-couch.com/jeff/snippets/general/tektips-navigation-example.html
is what I am trying to reference to create a template. But how do I how keep the state of Menu on each requested page any help is appreciated. The following menu is saved in a separate jsp file i.e. navs.jsp. I include this navigation jsp file in all of my files. Initially the drop down looks like:


Code:

. Ask.Jeeves 
. [+] Google.com 
. [+] Yahoo.com

Now clicking [+] in front of Google.com will look like.

Code:

. Ask.Jeeves 
. [-] Google.com 
     . Google.co.ie
     . Google.co.ie
     . [+] Google.co.nz 
. [+] Yahoo.com

Lets's say now if I click on Google.co.ie it takes me to sample.jsp and on this requested page (sample.jsp) how can I show the following menu hierarchy with Google.co.ie bold/underlined/colorchanged showing what menu content I clicked and am viewing the appropriate content i.e.


Code:

. Ask.Jeeves 
. [-] Google.com 
     . Google.co.ie
     . Google.co.ie
     . [+] Google.co.nz 
. [+] Yahoo.com

Same way clicking Google.com or Yahoo.com or Ask.Jeeves shows you the following hierarchy on the requested page with higlight/bold/colored the link we just selected. i.e.


Code:

. Ask.Jeeves 
. [+] Google.com 
. [+] Yahoo.com

Any time clicking on the menu takes me to some page but on that page I want to show th hierarchy of the menu all the way to which is recently clicked with different color setting.

Here is the source for the above:

Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"/>
<meta http-equiv="content-language" content="en"/>
<title>Test Harness</title>

<style type="text/css">

ul li ul {display:none;list-style-type: none;}

#myNav li a:hover {
color: blue;
}

#myNav li a:active {
color: #FF0000;
background: #FFFFFF;
}

#myNav { list-style-image: url(page.GIF); }
</style>

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
function initNav() {
	var navObj = document.getElementById('myNav');
	var ulCollection = navObj.getElementsByTagName('li');
	for (var loop = 0; loop < ulCollection.length; loop++) {
		if(ulCollection[loop].getElementsByTagName('ul').length > 0) {
			/* we have an LI that contains a UL */
			if (ulCollection[loop].getElementsByTagName('span').length > 0) {
				/* there is at least one SPAN tag present */
				ulCollection[loop].getElementsByTagName('span')[0].innerHTML = "[<a href=\"javascript://\" onclick=\"this.innerHTML=this.innerHTML=='+'?'-':'+';temp=this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('ul')[0].style;temp.display=temp.display=='block'?'none':'block';\">+</a>] ";
			}
		}
	}
}
window.onload = initNav;
//-->
</script>

</head>
<body>
<ul id="myNav">
	<li><a href="http://www.askjeeves.com">Ask.Jeeves</a></li>
	<li><span></span><a href="http://www.google.com">Google.com</a>
		<ul>
			<li><a href="http://www.google.co.uk">Google.co.uk</a></li>
			<li><a href="http://www.google.co.ie">Google.co.ie</a></li>
			<li><span></span><a href="http://www.google.co.nz">Google.co.nz</a>
			<ul>
			   <li>*3*</li>
			   <li>*4*</li>
			</ul>
</li>
		</ul>
	</li>

	<li><span></span><a href="http://www.yahoo.com">Yahoo.com</a>
		<ul>
			<li><a href="http://www.yahoo.co.uk">Yahoo.co.uk</a></li>
			<li><a href="http://www.yahoo.co.nz">Yahoo.co.nz</a></li>
		</ul>
	</li>
</ul>
</body>
</html>

Any help is really appreciated thanks.

EDIT:: Simplier way to write the question ^.^ :: When I scroll off the menu/link onto the first link in the submenu it stays, but when I mvoe down to the next item in the submenu it disappears.
(My drop down is vertically aligned on the left.)
(bits of the code that relate to the menu)

PHP Code:
.btn1 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 200px; } 
.btn2 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 240px; }
.btn3 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 280px; } 
.btn4 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 320px; }
.btn5 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 360px; } 
.btn6 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 400px; }
.btn7 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 440px; } 
.btn8 { position: absolute; left: 165px; top: 480px; }
.link1 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 240px; }
.link2 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 280px; }
.link3 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 320px; }
.link4 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 360px; }
.link5 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 400px; }
.link6 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 440px; }
.link7 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 480px; }
.link8 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 520px; }
.link9 { position: absolute; left: auto; top: 560px; }

#nav, #nav ul { padding: 0; margin: 0; list-style: none; }
#nav a { display: block; width: 100px; }
#nav li { width: 100px; }
#nav li ul { position: absolute; width: 100px; left: -9999px; display: none; top: 0; z-index: 3; }
#nav li:hover ul { display: block; left: 266px; z-index: 3; }
#nav li:over ul { display: block; left: 266px; z-index: 3; } 





PHP Code:
<ul id="nav">
  <li><a href="HOBmain.htm"><img class="btn1" src="../mainbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="MainBtn"></a></li>
  <li><a href="HOBmain.htm"><img class="btn2" src="../blogbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="BlogBtn"></a>
    <ul>
      <li class="link1"><a href=""><img src="../mbtn.gif" alt="bMainBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link2"><a href="#"><img src="../anmbtn.gif" alt="bAnimeBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link3"><a href="#"><img src="../mgabtn.gif" alt="bMangaBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link4"><a href="#"><img src="../gmebtn.gif" alt="bGameBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link5"><a href="#"><img src="../bookbtn.gif" alt="bBookBtn"></a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
    <li><a href="HOBmuse.htm"><img class="btn3" src="../musebtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="MuseBtn"></a>
    <ul>
      <li class="link2"><a href="HOBmuse.htm"><img src="../mbtn.gif" alt="mMainBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link3"><a href="HOBmuse.htm"><img src="../pmbtn.gif" alt="mPoemBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link4"><a href="HOBmuse.htm"><img src="../stybtn.gif" alt="mStoryBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link5"><a href="HOBmuse.htm"><img src="../drmbtn.gif" alt="mDreamBtn"></a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
   <li><a href="HOBodd.htm"><img class="btn4" src="../oddbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="ComicBtn"></a>
    <ul>
      <li class="link3"><a href="HOBodd.htm"><img src="../mbtn.gif" alt="cMainBtn"></a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
   <li><a href="HOBart.htm"><img class="btn5" src="../artbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="ArtBtn"></a>
    <ul>
      <li class="link4"><a href="HOBart.htm"><img src="../mbtn.gif" alt="aMainBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link5"><a href="HOBart.htm"><img src="../recbtn.gif" alt="aRecentBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link6"><a href="HOBart.htm"><img src="../gaibtn.gif" alt="aGaiaBtn"></a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
   <li><a href="HOBpic.htm"><img class="btn6" src="../picbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="PicsBtn"></a>
    <ul>
      <li class="link5"><a href="HOBpic.htm"><img src="../mbtn.gif" alt="pMainBtn"></a></li>
      <li class="link6"><a href="HOBpic.htm"><img src="../recbtn.gif" alt="pRecentBtn"></a></li>
    </ul>
  </li>
   <li><a href="HOBfaq.htm"><img class="btn7" src="../faqbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="FaqBtn"></a></li>
   <li><a href="HOBcon.htm"><img class="btn8" src="../contactbtn.gif" width="100" height="38" alt="ContactBtn"></a> </li>
</ul> 





<script type="text/javascript" src="drop_down.js"></script>
the "nav" is referring to a bit of js, and this is in my header. Also not sure if it's correct, but I can worry about that later.
link: The Page

Hi all,

I've got a horizontal menu that is working just fine in every browser but IE 6 and 7. In IE it's almost there, except that the submenus will only appear one level deep. The menu is created with nested lists. The :hover functionality is simulated via JavaScript for IE 6. The IE developer toolbar shows the 3rd level menu is correctly being changed to display: block when its parent is hovered, and the border the dev toolbar draws even puts it in the correct place, it just doesn't actually appear.

You can find the page he
http://www.perceptes.com/topdog/

The CSS and JS (uses jQuery) can be found he
http://www.perceptes.com/topdog/css/screen.css
http://www.perceptes.com/topdog/css/ie.css (loaded with a conditional comment)
http://www.perceptes.com/topdog/js/tdps.js
http://www.perceptes.com/topdog/js/ie.js (loaded with a conditonal comment)

For a specific example of what I'm talking about, try hovering over the second item, Filters & Parts. This will give you another level with four choices. Each of those also has child elements, but when hovered over, the next level doesn't appear. Try it in something other than IE 6 or 7 to see how it's supposed to look.

Thanks very much in advance!

i am working on an autocomplete, and in firefox it works beautifully, in IE when the drop down occurs it falls behind all the other content on the page.

i have tried using z-index to bring it up and that didnt work, what else is there that i can do to try and get this to work?

http://www itsdavesworld com / divbehind.jpg

I working on a CSS to display a round-shouldered-tab menu. My result is acceptable:
http://rickduley.webs.com/roundShoulderTabMenu.jpg
except for the fact that the tabs are set below the menuBar on which the are supposed to display.

I have run out of ideas. Would someone please set me on the right path?
Thanks.

P.S.: the code is at
http://rickduley.webs.com/roundShoulderTabMenu.zip.kgb -
you have to delete the 'dot key gee bee' suffix.

--------This Part Solved!---------

Hi Guys!

I have a CSS dropdown menu going on, and it's working semi-properly in Firefox, but is stuck behind the content div in IE6/7. I've tried using Z-index but either I'm altering the wrong tag or I'm way off in the wrong direction, as it ain't workin.
Here is the page:
http://www.whitecapgraphics.com/bates/front.php
If you look at it in IE, there's actually no indication that it is dropping down at all, but I know it is as I moved the drop downs up a few pixels and I could see them dropping behind the div.
PS - The Home button does not have a drop down menu.

My CSS:
Code:

#d1 {
	background-color: #003366;
	float: left;
	width: 200px;
	background-image: url(images/header_bg.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
	height: 107px;
}
#d2 {
	background-color: #1F2935;
	float: right;
	width: 477px;
	background-image: url(images/header_bg.gif);
}
#head_container {
	background-color: #000066;
	float: left;
	background-image: url(images/header_bg.gif);
	height: 107px;
}
#nav_container {
	background-color: #1F2935;
	float: left;
	width: 100%;
	background-image: url(images/nav_bar_bg.gif);
	height: 30px;
}
#page_container {
	margin: auto;
	width: 99.99%;
	height: 100%;
}
#content_container {
	background-color: #e4e4e4;
	float: left;
	width: 100%;
	background-image: url(images/content_blue_column_bg.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-y;
	background-position: right;

}
#content {
	background-color: #e4e4e4;
	position: relative;
	margin-right:253px;
	border-bottom-width: 2px;
	border-bottom-style: solid;
	border-bottom-color: #000000;
	border-right-width: 2px;
	border-right-style: solid;
	border-right-color: #000000;
	padding-left: 10px;
	padding-right: 10px;
	font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	font-size: medium;
}
#right_column {
	background-color: #CC9900;
	float: right;
	width: 253px;
	border-bottom-width: 2px;
	border-bottom-style: solid;
	border-bottom-color: #000000;
}












/*____________________________________________________________*/


* {margin:0; padding:0;} /*Need to lookup this line - prevents the dropdown from sitting off kilt from the nav bar options */

/* the horizontal menu starts here */
div#nav {
	width:600px; /* sizes the nav div at a fixed width */
	float:left;
	background-color:#CCF; /* colors the div */
	background-image: url(images/nav_bar_bg.gif);
	z-index:10;
	}
div#nav li {
	float:left;	/* causes the list to align horizontally instead of stack */
	position:relative; /* positioning context for the absolutely positioned drop-down */
	list-style-type:none;	/* removes the bullet off each list item */
	border:1px solid black; /* creates dividing lines between the li elements */
	font-family:Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
	font-size: medium;
	font-weight: bold;
	min-width: 126px;
	text-align:center;
	height:26px;
	}
div#nav li:first-child {
	border-left:1px solid; /*the first vertial line on the menu */
	}

div#nav li:hover { 
	background-color:#D1C9B9; /*sets the background of the menu items */
	}
div#nav a {
	display:block;
	padding:1px 6px; /*creates space each side of menu item's text */
	text-decoration:none;	 /* removes the underlining of the link */
	color:#D1C9B9;	/* sets the type color */
	}
div#nav a:hover {
	color:black;
	}
/* the menu ends here */
/* the drop-down starts here */
div#nav ul li ul {
	margin:0; 
	z-index:20; /* puts drop-down on top of div - Safari needs this as menu is 1px higher */
	position:absolute; /* positions the drop-down ul in relation to its relatively positioned li parent */
	width:10em; /*sets the width of the menu - in combo with the li's 100% width, makes the menu stack*/
	border-right:0; /* stops SCBs drops having two right borders - they inherit the border, IE doesn't */
	left:-1px; /*aligns the drop exactly under the menu */
	top:28px;
	}
#pyt ul li {
	background-color:#B3916B;
}
#h ul li {
	background-color:#1F2935;
}
#ri ul li{
	background-color: #827977;
}
#bn ul li{
	background-color: #455D67;
}


div#nav ul li ul li {padding:0;
	width:100%; /* makes the list items fill the list container (ul) */
	border-left:1px solid; /*  three sides of each drop-down item */
	border-bottom:1px solid;
	border-right:1px solid;
}
div#nav ul li ul li a {
	padding:1px .5em;
	font-size:small;
	text-align:left;
	vertical-align:middle;}
div#nav ul li ul li:first-child {
	border-top:1px solid; /*the top edge of the dropdown */
	}
/* make the drop-down display as the menu is rolled over */
div#nav ul li ul {display:none;} /* conceals the drop-down when menu not hovered */
div#nav ul li:hover ul {display:block; } /* shows the drop-down when the menu is hovered */
div#nav ul li:hover a {color:black;}


/* THE HACK ZONE - */
/* hack for IE (all flavors) so the menu has a vertical line on the left */
* html div#nav ul {
	float:left; /* makes the ul wrap the li's */
	border-left:1px solid #000; /* adds the rightmost menu vertical line to the ul */
	}

/* add a top line to drops and pops in IE browsers - can't read :first-child */
* html  div#nav ul li ul {
	border-top:1px solid #069;
	border-left:0px; /* stops the drop inheriting the ul border */
	}

/* an Opera-only hack to fix a redraw problem by invisibly extending the ul */
/* the first-level drop stays open for 100px below the bottom but at least it works */
/* this can be reduced to as little as 22px if you don't have pop-outs */
	@media all and (min-width: 0px){
   body div#nav ul li ul {padding-bottom:22px;}
   }
/*end Opera hack */
/* END OF HACK ZONE */
/* the drop-down ends here */
/* END OF LIST-BASED MENU */




#h {
	background-color: #1F2935;
}
#ri {
	background-color: #827977;
	letter-spacing: -.06em;
}

body {
	background-color: #1F2935;
	margin-left: 0px;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-right: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 0px;
}
#pyt {
	background-color: #B3916B;
}
#bn {
	background-color: #455D67;
	}

#content #flash_map {
	text-align: center;
	border: 2px solid black;
	width: 660px;
	margin: auto;
}

--------****Still Need Help Here!-----------

Unrelatedly, I'm also experiencing the following quirks that I'm not knowledgeable enough to work out quickly, so tips are aprpeciated:

****1) That menu bar is 26 pixels. Is there a way to vertically center the <a> inside the <li>?

2) The word-wrapped drop down options are extending outside of the menu - which of my styles is causing this? How can I solve it? *SOLVED*

please delete this thread

I have made a menu which I love because it is the layout that I want.
However, I am having problems with the menu when I try to add a "Drop Down" feature to it.

The menu I currently have and use is:
http://www.gc40.com/menu2.html



I would like to turn some of the tabs like services into a drop down menu. I found a script that was a drop down menu and I tried to customize it to match my original menu but failed.
The script that I found is: http://www.gc40.com/menu1.html

Is there anyone that can customize http://www.gc40.com/menu2.html for me using http://www.gc40.com/menu1.html so that I can have drop down capabilities?

I would really appreciate the help. Thanks guys.

Hi all,

I am trying to style a drop-down menu. I'd like the hover state to have a transparent cut out on the menu... and the bottom of the drop down to be rounded. Probably makes more sense in the picture... which I am apparently not allowed to post. grrr. So think little triangle, but instead of being a different color, it is a transparent cut out. I've been banging my head into the keyboard for a couple of hours and can't seem to find the right way to tackle this. The problem is compounded by some of the menu items not have submenus. I'd like those to hover as if they were the bottom link in the drop down... ie, a notched edge and rounded bottom border. I would really appreciate anyone pointing me in the right direction here. Many thanks,

-helga