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CSS - Help With A Cell Table/cell Border In Css Code
Hi there!
This might seem really basic but I don't seem to be able to remove the default border from a cell I created. The code looks like this: "<p> </p> <table align="center" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; border-width: 0px;"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div style="overflow: auto; height: 475px; width: 700px; border-style: hidden;"> <p align="center"> <img height="457" width="600" src="images/stories/vlkommen3.jpg" alt="vlkommen3" style="margin: 0px; vertical-align: middle;" /> </p> <p align="center"> </p> <p> </p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p> </p> How shall I do to hide the border? Thanks in advance! /Kristoffer Similar TutorialsI'm having some problems with CSS. If you look at the pictures below, the first is a screenshot of what it is supposed to look like. It's how it looks in most browsers. The second one, however, is how it looks in IE 6 on Windows and IE 5 on the Mac. It is wrong. Correct look Incorrect look I want to know how to fix this. The little colored boxes are supposed to be squares and have solid borders on them. The shape is off and the borders are missing on the IE version. Also, on the progress bar, there is not supposed to be space between the cells but there is. There is also space between every cell on the page and there is not supposed to be any. Here is my main CSS: Code:
body { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
a { text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold; }
a:link { color: #003366; background-color: transparent; }
a:visited { color: #003300; background-color: transparent; }
a:active { color: #339933; background-color: transparent; }
a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }
table { border: 1px solid black; border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px;}
td, th { border: 0px solid black; padding: 5px; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; }
tr.one { background-color: #FFFFFF; }
tr.two { background-color: #DDDDDD; }
table.squares { border: 0px; border-spacing: 1px; width: 50px; height: 10px; }
td.square { border: 1px solid grey; padding: 4px; }
td.nopadding { padding: 0px; }
.default { font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10px; color: #000000; }
.h1 { font-size: 200%; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;}
.h2 { font-size: 120%; font-weight: bold; }
.h3 { font-weight: bold; }
.step { font-size: 150%; font-weight: bold; color: #999999; }
Here is one of the sets of squares: Code: <table class="squares">
<tr>
<td class="square" style="background-color: #CCCC66"></td>
<td class="square" style="background-color: #CC9966"></td>
<td class="square" style="background-color: #990000; border: black"><td>
<td class="square" style="background-color: #669966"></td>
<td class="square" style="background-color: #669999"></td>
</tr>
</table>
And finally, here is one of my progress bars: Code: <table style="color: white; width: 100px">
<tr>
<td style="padding:0px; text-align: right; padding-right: 5px; background-color:#222244; width:41px"></td>
<td style="padding:0px; text-align: left; padding-left: 5px; background-color:#666666; width:59px">40.7%</td>
</tr>
</table>
And in case that code is not enough, here is a link to the full HTML. According to this CSS test my CSS is not wrong. So does IE just suck? Is there something I can do to make it work in all browsers? My last question is, should I be using div tags for my boxes and progress bars instead of tables? I couldn't figure out how to make them work with divs so I just went with what I knew. Could someone give me an example of each using divs so I can learn how to make it work? I have a table that is populated using Spry. For some of the users, the table is showing its' borders in white when there is no data in the cell and for other users (like me) it's showing its' borders in black like expected. This is occurring in IE8 for the user. I have IE8 as well. Here is a setup of my table Code: <div id="Content">
<p class='instructions'>Click a column header to sort the table.</p>
<div spry:region="jdmba">
<div spry:state="loading" class="loading">Please wait while alumni data loads…</div>
<table class="spry" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr>
<th scope="col" width="108px" class="sortable" spry:sort="last" id="last">Last Name</th>
<th scope="col" width="106px" class="sortable" spry:sort="first" id="first">First Name</th>
<th scope="col" width="269px" class="sortable" spry:sort="account" id="account">Company</th>
<th scope="col" width="66px" class="sortable" spry:sort="state" id="state">State</th>
<th scope="col" width="82px" class="sortable" spry:sort="hls_year" id="hls_year">JD</th>
<th scope="col" width="82px" class="sortable" spry:sort="hbs_year" id="hbs_year">MBA</th>
</tr>
</table>
<div class="Overload">
<table class="spry" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr spry:repeat="jdmba" spry:setrow="jdmba" spry:odd="odd" spry:even="even" spry:hover="hover" >
<td width="108px">{last}</td>
<td width="106px">{first}</td>
<td width="269px">{account}</td>
<td width="66px">{state}</td>
<td width="82px">{hls_year}</td>
<td width="82px">{hbs_year}</td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>
</div>
Here is my CSS file Code:
a:link {
text-decoration: none;
}
a:visited {
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover {
text-decoration: none;
}
a:active {
text-decoration: none;
}
#News a:link {
color: #00F;
}
#News a:hover {
color: #00F;
text-decoration: underline;
}
body {
background: #000 repeat;
}
#wrap {
background: #000;
width: 900px;
border: thick solid #9C0029;
float: left;
height: auto;
padding: 0px 0px 1em;
margin-top: 2%;
margin-left: 10%;
}
#footer {
font: bold small/50px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color: #FFF;
background: #9C0029;
text-align: center;
height: 50px;
width: 850px;
margin-left: 25px;
}
#Header {
background: #8F001C url(../images/banner.jpg) no-repeat center center;
width: 850px;
height: 150px;
margin-top: 20px;
margin-right: 20px;
margin-left: 25px;
}
h1 {
font: normal 18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color: #000;
text-align: left;
}
h2 {
font: small Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
color: #333;
text-align: justify;
}
h3 {
font: normal medium "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
color: #FFF;
}
h4 {
font-size: small;
color: #333;
text-align: left;
}
.banners {
background: #FFF0B2;
width: auto;
height: auto;
font: 18px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
padding-top: .5em;
padding-bottom: .5em;
text-indent: 10px;
}
.Content {
font: 14px/normal Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
text-align: justify;
display: block;
padding: 2em 3em 3em;
}
.Content a:link {
color: #00F;
}
.Content a:hover {
color: #00F;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.Content a:visited {
color: #00F;
}
#inner_body {
background: #FFF;
height: auto;
width: 800px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-left: 50px;
padding-top: 0.5em;
padding-bottom: .5em;
}
#inner_border {
margin: 0em auto auto;
border: thin solid #8E887C;
width: 775px;
padding: 1em 0em 0em;
}
#nav_bar {
height: 3em;
width: 100%;
margin-left: 0%;
text-align: center;
}
#Content {
height: auto;
width: 95%;
padding: 0em 0% 5em;
margin: 2.5% 2.55% 2%;
text-align: left;
font-family: Verdana;
}
#nav {
height: auto;
width: 20em;
}
#News {
margin-left: 2px;
height: 30%;
background: #FFF0B2;
padding: 3%;
}
#News a:visited {
color: #00F;
}
.Overload
{
height: 208px;
overflow: auto;
}
.odd { background-color: #E8E8E8; }
.even { background-color: #E8E8E8;}
.hover { background-color: #FFC;}
table.spry {
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 12px;
line-height:20px;
cursor: pointer;
}
.instructions {
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
font-size: 12px;
line-height:20px;
cursor: pointer;
margin-bottom:8px;
}
.loading {
font-family: Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
font-size: 12px;
line-height:20px;
cursor: pointer;
margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:8px;
color:#900;
}
table.spry th {
border-left: 1px solid #000000;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-top: 1px solid #000000;
font-family:Verdana;
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px;
}
table.spry td {
border-left: 1px solid #000000;
border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
font-family:Verdana;
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px;
}
table.spry th.sortable:hover { cursor: pointer; }
table.spry th.sortable { text-align:left; color:#FFFFFF; background: #8F001C url(../SpryAssets/bg.gif) no-repeat 95% 6px; }
table.spry th.ascending { background: #8F001C url(../SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarUpHover.gif) no-repeat 95% 8px; }
table.spry th.descending { background: #8F001C url(../SpryAssets/SpryMenuBarDownHover.gif) no-repeat 95% 8px; }
I'm only placing borders on the left and bottom so that in my detail cells the borders aren't doubled up. So for example when I have no data for the cell State, the left and bottom border of that cell is white rather than black. Any ideas? Thanks! Can anyone help me out with the following... I'm trying to create a table that, upon hovering a single cell, will increase the border thickness of that one cell, without increasing the thickness of other cells' borders in the same row/column. So far, my attempts have resulted in other table cells also getting increased border thickness, which makes the whole table move. Is there a way to achieve this for just the one cell? Adding border thickness just on the inside of the cell? Many thanks in advance! ZephSev I have a web page shell that loads various content into different cells. The entire page is essentially a table. I have 4 graphic overlays that I want to impose on each cell to round the corners. I've tried doing it this way: CSS: Code: .LeftPanelTable {
WIDTH: 182px;
border-style: none }
.LeftPanelCell {
WIDTH: 160px;
vertical-align: Top;
border-style: none }
.ActionOptionsPanel {
background-color: #DDDDDD;
color: #000000;
font-family: verdana;
font-size: 12px;
border-style: none}
#soft_corner_ul {
background:url("http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/images/corner_ul.gif") no-repeat top left}
#soft_corner_ur {
background:url("http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/images/corner_ur.gif") no-repeat top right}
#soft_corner_ll {
background:url("http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/images/corner_ll.gif") no-repeat bottom left}
#soft_corner_lr {
background:url("http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/images/corner_lr.gif") no-repeat bottom right}
HTML: Code: <table class="LeftPanelTable">
<tr>
<td class="ActionOptionsPanel">
<div id="soft_corner_ul"><div id="soft_corner_ur"><div id="soft_corner_ll"><div id="soft_corner_lr">
This is the table cell content
</div></div></div></div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
However, I still see a faint border around the cell, which spoils the effect of the rounded corners. If I change it like this: Code: .ActionOptionsPanel {
background-color: #DDDDDD;
background-image:url("http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/images/corner_ul.gif");
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: bottom right;
color: #000000;
font-family: verdana;
font-size: 12px;
border-style: none}
Code: <table class="LeftPanelTable">
<tr>
<td class="ActionOptionsPanel">
This is the table cell content
</td>
</tr>
</table>
then the border doesn't appear, but I don't know any way to do this with more than one image. Suggestions? Thanks... Alright, this is probably a simple fix but I can not find the solution anywhere. I'm trying to highlight a table cell with a 2px solid red border when it is clicked. Is there a way to get this to happen with out changing the size of the cell? I hope this makes sense. Basically the cell is expanding by 1 px causing movement in the table. I would like to set up a table with a different border than the cells inside it. Here's my code: Code:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<style type="text/css">
TABLE {border: 1px solid black; border-collapse: collapse; width: 200px}
TD {border: 1px solid #ccc}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<table>
<tr>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
<td> </td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
That's all hunky dory in (gasp!) IE, but good browsers...they only show the lighter gray color. How do I get the table border to be different? Hi. Have created some simple tabs using table cells. Active tab should have bottom-border color equal to page background-color. Non-active tabs should have bottom-border=black. Works fine in IE, but does not work very well in Firefox. If I remove the border-collapse:collapse on the table, then firefox also work... but I would like to be able to keep the 1px border between each table cell. So is there a way to make this work in both IE and Firefox... and hopefully most other browsers... See code below: Code:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
a.menu_top:link {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
a.menu_top:visited {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
a.menu_top:hover {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
a.menu_top:active {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
td.menu_top_passive {
background-color: #777;
border-left: 1px #000000 solid;
border-right: 1px #000000 solid;
border-top: 1px #000000 solid;
border-bottom: 1px #000000 solid;
text-align: center;
cursor:pointer;
font-weight: bold;
padding: 5px 20px 5px 20px;
margin: 0;
}
td.menu_top_active {
background-color: #bbb;
border-left: 1px #000000 solid;
border-right: 1px #000000 solid;
border-top: 1px #000000 solid;
border-bottom: 1px #bbb solid;
text-align: center;
cursor:pointer;
font-weight: bold;
padding: 5px 20px 5px 20px;
margin: 0;
}
</style>
<script language="JavaScript">
function change(id, url) {
for (i=1; i<6; i++){
eval("document.getElementById("+i+").className='menu_top_passive'");
}
eval("document.getElementById("+id+").className='menu_top_active'");
}
</script>
</head>
<body style="margin:0; padding:0; background-color:#bbb;">
<br><br>
<center>
1. Load the page.<br>
2. Click Item 4.<br>
3. Click Item 2.<br><br>
Why is the bottom border of the menuelements (table cells) not getting correct in Firefox?<br>
None-active menuelements should have a border-bottom = black, active should have same bottom-border as page.<br>
Notice that I use border-collapse on the table in order to get the cell-border 1px thick between the menuitems.<br>
If I remove border-collapse, then there is no strange behaviour in Firefox.<br>
Any way to get this working in Firefox without breaking it in IE?
</center>
<br><br><br>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="border-collapse:collapse;">
<tr>
<td id="1" nowrap class="menu_top_active" onClick="change('1');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 1</a></td>
<td id="2" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('2');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 2</a></td>
<td id="3" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('3');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 3</a></td>
<td id="4" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('4');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 4</a></td>
<td id="5" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('5');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 5</a></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
currently i have links defined as a certain color and changes to a certain color when i hover over them.. i have a table which has these links inside the cells and when i hover over the cell, the background of the cell changes color but the link wont change color until i hover over the link.. is there anyway so that when i hover over the cell i can make the link change color too? the problem is i have some padding for the cells, so once i go inside the cell but dont hover exactly over the link, the background will change but the link won't until i hover over it thanks Here's something strange. I'm seeing a problem in IE on Windows. I've built a progress bar using vbscript and css, but the table doesn't quite display the way I want it to. Here's demo code: Code: <html> <body bgcolor="dddddd"> <center> <table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse; background-color: #000" width="100"> <tr><td id="pct_complete" width="50" bgcolor="black"> </td><td id="pct_remain" width="*" bgcolor="blue"> </td></tr> </table> </center> </body> </html> Now I've set the border to collapse, but if you load it up, you'll notice a white line between the two. I think it may be the way ie adds a 3d appearance to the table, but I can't figure out how to overcome it. Any ideas? Thanks! Hello, I need to place an image in the bottom right-hand corner of a table cell. How would I do this using CSS, keeping in mind that text and other goodies are already present in the cell? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks. hi all, i'm trying to make a vertical menu using CSS2 and XHTML. the problem i'm facing is that i need a DIV inside a table cell, which should take 100% width and height, and inside this DIV i will place arbitrary contents that scrolls if they overflows. This is the code i have written so far: Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<title>
TestMenu
</title>
<style type="text/css">
BODY, HTML {
height: 100%;
margin: 0 0 0 0;
padding: 0 0 0 0;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
}
.menuContainer {
background-color: red;
width: 300px;
height: 100%;
border-spacing: 0px;
}
.menuItem {
background-color: green;
}
.menuItemOpen {
background-color: yellow;
}
.menuItemContents {
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
vertical-align: top;
}
.menuItemContainer {
height: 100%;
width: 100%;
border-spacing: 0px;
}
.menuTitle {
background-color: blue;
color: white;
height: 20px;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
.menuContents {
padding: 0px;
}
.menuInnerContents {
background-color: orange;
overflow: auto;
height: 100%;
width: 100%;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<table class="menuContainer">
<tr class="menuItemOpen">
<td class="menuItemContents"><table class="menuItemContainer">
<tr>
<td class="menuTitle">Item 1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="menuContents"><div class="menuInnerContents"><div>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/>This are the contents<br/>
of this menu.<br/></div></div></td>
</tr>
</table></td>
</tr>
<tr class="menuItem">
<td class="menuTitle">Item 2</td>
</tr>
<tr class="menuItem">
<td class="menuTitle">Item 3</td>
</tr>
<tr class="menuItem">
<td class="menuTitle">Item 4</td>
</tr>
<tr class="menuItem">
<td class="menuTitle">Item 5</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
as you can see the "menuInnerContents" DIV isn't taking all the space available and the text inside it doesn't overflow. Help me please! Check out the following code. Notice how the dark blue cell has one thin layer peeping through right inside the black border of the outer table? I can't figure out why. What this should look like is a black border, followed by a border of 3 white thickness all around the light blue cells, as well as between the light blue cells. Fixing this peeping cell in a way in which it is sucked out is fine - but if you have a better solution as to how to make the white spacing 3 around the cells AND the table, with a black border, I will accept. Thanks Code:
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
.table1
{
border-collapse: collapse;
border: 1px;
border-style: solid;
border-color: #000000;
background-color: #FF0000;
}
.table2
{
border: 1px;
border-style: solid;
border-color: #FF0000;
border-collapse: collapse;
width: 300px;
}
.cell1
{
background-color: #0099ff;
border: 0px
border-style: solid;
}
.cell2
{
border: 3px;
border-style: solid;
border-color: #FFFFFF;
background-color: #95caff;
width: 300px;
height: 100px;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<table class="table1">
<tr>
<td class="cell1">
<table class="table2">
<tr>
<td class="cell2"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td class="cell2"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
Hi. I've got a question regarding placing an image within a table cell and using CSS to achieve a certain result. The table cell's width is determined at 530px, but the height is dependent on the actual length of the copy. What I'm looking to accomplish is have an image ghosted in the background of the text. It is supposed to appear in the lower right hand corner of the cell. I've already created the image with a transparent background, but it's not implementing correctly. Can I use a Z-Index style to achieve the item being placed under the text? Also, how do I make sure that the image is positioned in the lower right hand corner of the cell regardless of the height of the cell? Thanks! Simon315 hi, and thank for the help in advance. i was wondering if it is possible to make a table cell's top border different thickness versus the sides and the bottom. hi all... i have a table cell "td" with 3 divs in it. what i need is to get it to align the top div to the top, middle div to the middle and 3'ed div to the bottom... this is all fine but i cant get to do that, and the auto increase height on the middle one dont work ? btw: this is for the IE style sheet, mozilla(firefox) works great.... frank/ Hello, I have a table and I am styling its cells: table.Grid td {background-color: red;} Inside this table I will have some other tables but I don't want their cells to have the styles changed. I see two options: give a class to Grid table cells: table.Grid td.Grid {background-color: red;} Reset the changes in child tables: table.Child1 td, table.Child2 td, table.Child3 td {background-color: white;} But can I apply the following style: table.Grid td {background-color: red;} And make it only for the cells inside that table but not inside the child tables in this code line? ... without needing to reset the styles on child table cells or give main cells a class ... Thanks, Miguel Hello, I am trying to make the table cells in the chart (URL below) at the bottom of the page to be invisible. I have styled the border & background color to #FFFFF (white). When viewed in Firefox, cell borders in gray appear. http://oharenoise.org/2010_news_releases-2.htm Hello, I am using a series of nested ULs to display information in a kind of tree structure with some DHTML involved to make it behave pretty. What I am trying to achieve is to have the information in the LI elements well spaced apart, using <span>s. Since these elements are inline I cannot give them a specific width. A workaround that solves the problem in using the property display:table-cell and then I can give it a width. Of course this doesn't work in IE. Could someone please suggest an alternative way of achieving the following: Code:
<ul id="tree">
<li id="node1">
<a href="#">
<span>CB200801</span>
<span>02/03/2007</span>
<span>IPS20003</span>
<span>17.58</span>
<span>3.08</span>
<span>0.00</span>
</a>
<ul>
<li id="node2">
<a href="#"><span>12028077</span></a>
</li>
<li id="node3" >
<a href="#"><span>12046086</span></a>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
etc etc
and then I give the <span> the display:table-cell and a width. In Firefox this is giving me the visual layout I require. Can something be done to help IE? Thanks in advance Andy Hi all. I have a script that draws a calendar. I would like to be able to position the day number in the upper right of each table cell using CSS. Note, each cell will also have an embedded table or just text showing events for that day, so I don't mind if the day number overlaps that table. Ive tried doing something like this: PHP Code: td.dayNumJK { font-size: 12px; font-weight: bold; position: absolute; top: 1px; right: 1px; } But it seems to ignore the style. I've tried all the possible position attribute values (static, absolute, relative, fixed) but it doesnt seem to work. Maybe this is not possible with CSS? Any ideas how I can accomplish this? Hey all, I'm working with a table in which the top row serves as column headers. Each column header can have a label-link as well as two graphics representing options for selecting an ascending or descending sort. The images are done through CSS so to allow use of :hover for mouse-over image swapping. My problem is that I can't figure out a combination of CSS to make it so that, should a person's resolution be too low or should they narrow their browser window to the point where it attempts to reduce column width, that the text and images remain side-by-side. A sample of the problem can be found he http://www.weblifenetwork.net/sample.html In this sample the first cell has a small, secondary table within it for the purpose of demonstrating the behavior I'm after. The second cell is kind of my current test cell (and the closest I've gotten to the correct behavior as of this post), and all other cells are using the same problematic CSS. As you enlarge/reduce the width of your browser, you should notice this behavior: First Cell: No wrapping. No display anomalies. Second Cell: Unwanted wrapping. No display anomalies. Other Cells: No wrapping. Images begin flowing over text. Text extends into neighboring cell. Any help in duplicating the behavior of the first cell using only CSS would be greatly appreciated. I've spent over a day in a CSS IRC channel to no avail. |
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