CSS - Form Spacing Issues
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In Mozilla the spacing looks perfect, however, in IE the spacing is HUGE. Here is the associated CSS: Code: fieldset p{ clear: both; float: left; margin: 0; padding: 5px 0 8px 0; padding-left: 210px; height: 1%; } fieldset label { font-weight: bold; float: left; margin-left: -210px; width: 200px; } fieldset input.form { width: 200px } Any ideas how to get them to be the same, across all browsers? Similar Tutorialsas is common with divs is the auto return at the bottom of them... i have this CSS page... http://defunctgames.com/helpfix/page1.htm the only problem with it is the space underneath "All Websites: Reviewed!" here is the original HTML version of this section.. http://defunctgames.com/helpfix/page2.htm can you please help me get the same exact result as the HTML version thanks. In both Firefox and IE some of the larger advertisements at the top overlap the content. In IE only, the margin on the bottom of the page does not show up at all. The website is http://www.socialplay.com. Please provide help if you know what's wrong. Thanks. Hi. I'm trying to update a site to use CSS instead of tables and I'm having some issues with the top banner and the lovely IEs. Basically, IE6 seems to be acknowledging some padding/margins for my "banner" div and both IE6 and 7 have some extra spacing below my H1/logo image that Firefox/Opera properly display. I put up a screen shot of Firefox (far left), IE7 (middle), and IE6 (upper right) showing the discrepancies at "hxxp://ns1.zivix.com/~mbydalek/sample/Screenshot.png" Here are the specific problems that I am trying to fix: 1) The floated H1 (background green) should have 0 spacing at the bottom, yet IE6/7 both show some extra green indicating some extra spacing 2) IE6 has the banner a few pixels off to the right and actually a couple pixels taller than it's supposed to be, which is the height of the floated right image. I put the code and css up at: hxxp://ns1.zivix.com/~mbydalek/sample/admin.html hxxp://ns1.zivix.com/~mbydalek/sample/css/master.css Any help would be greatly appreciated! Regards, Mike * On a side note, how the heck do you post URLs (with or without bbcode) on these forums? Any url I try (even if I copy/paste directly from the help) gets replaced with a "(URL address blocked: See forum rules)" Well, I don't see anything in the rules and I've read/searched through them now for 20 mins and am not having any luck. Hey, I've been slowly trying to learn CSS and was very pleased with myself for making this website with Divs. But now IE7 just gave me the finger. I have some major major spacing issues with my #maincontentLeft and #maincontentRight divs. I have read a little bit about all the crazy stupid bugs in IE6 and IE7 (like double spacing margins..ect) but don't really know hwo to fix... or if thats my problem. ??? Here is my site u rl: ptk.org/scholarships/franklanza/ (i'm new so i can't link it in the text field but just add the w's ) Any help would be SO much appreciated!! -Sarah Hello! When the content of my website expands to include scroll bars, a 1px bar of white becomes visible on the right side of my content. I'm aware that the white is from my bg, but I don't know why everything gets off-set. Also, in IE7 there is a strange spacing issue between my header and the navigation, although it is not evident in other browsers. This is currently visible: http://www.caseit.org/test My content: Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="reset.css" /> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style.css" /> </head> <body> <div id="header"> <img src="header.jpg" width="1000" height="140" /> </div> <div id="navigation"> <ul id="qm0" class="qmmc"> <li><a href="javascript:void(0)">Home</a></li> <li><a class="qmparent" href="javascript:void(0)">About CaseIT</a> <ul> <li><a href="javascript:void(0)">Overview</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0)">History</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Previous Competitors</a></li> </ul> </li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0)">About SFU Business</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0)">Why Compete?</a></li> <li><a class="qmparent" href="javascript:void(0);">CaseIT 2010</a> <ul> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Organizing Committee</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Timeline</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Competition Information</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Venues</a></li> </ul> </li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Sponsors</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Media</a></li> <li><a href="javascript:void(0);">Contact Us</a></li> <li class="qmclear"> </li> </ul> </div> <div id="image"> <img src="image1.jpg" width="900" height="233" /> </div> <div id="container"> <div id="content"> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> hhqrqrqr<br />erereqrqw<br /> </div> <div id="sidebar"> we </div> <div id="sponsors"> </div> </div> </body> </html> My CSS (only the relevant stuff): Code: @charset "UTF-8"; /* CSS Document */ body { background-color: #EEEEEE; background-image:url(bg.jpg); background-position: top center; background-repeat:repeat-y; } #header { width: 1000px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; } #navigation { width: 1000px; height: 35px; background-image:url(linkbg.jpg); margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; } #image { width: 900px; height: 233px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; } #container { width: 900px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; background-color:#33FF33; height: 100%; } #content { float: left; width: 645px; } #sidebar { background-image: url(sidebarbg.jpg); background-repeat: no-repeat; background-color: #999999; float: left; width: 255px; } #sponsors { float: left; width: 900px; height: 200px; } Additional notes: I use the Meyer reset unedited from his website. Thank you! On my new design: http://codymays.net/~private_ftp/theed The header and footer of the green block have a space on them and I cannot figure out why. I had this problem with the design before, but I started over and now I only have this issue with IE6 and below. It works in all other browsers. I can clear the spaces if I set the margin-top of the block's content area to -4 and the footer's margin-top to -4. But once this is done, IE then redraws the div at the bottom of the page for no apparent reason. Any ideas/suggestions on what to do here would be appreciated. Thanks, Cody Sea-2-Sky.com is the site in question. I'm working on the layout, forms right now which is where I'm having the problem. For some reason that I can't find, the labels for my input/select boxes are not showing up in IE, though they show up fine in Firefox/Netscape. I view the source code and it's all there which leads me to believe it's something in the CSS portion of the page, though I can't seem to find it. Can someone take a look and see if they notice anything that IE doesn't like? I've tried the same form code (CSS & HTML) w/o all of the other junk and it works just fine which leads me to believe it's in a previous part of the CSS portion. I just can't seem to find it. Thanks in advance. Tim Hi there! I've been diving into trying to make mobile web pages and though a lot of my former CSS experience helps me a great deal I get a bit perplexed about forms. I'd like to have all my form elements at the width of a 100% except for checkboxes and radiobuttons. Now, this almost works out all the way but I have a problem with how the strict rendering handles form elements. I've tried using both XHTML Mobile 1.2 and XHTML Mobile 1.0 but the same problems arise; Apart from wanting the elements to go 100% in width, I also would like them to respect margins. If I simply set the width to a 100% and my right and left margins to, say, 5px, I get the field pushed in 5 pixels from the left but I cannot get the 5 pixel indent from the right. I have tried using a wrapper div but it suffers the same result. I have figured out that this can have something to do with the rules of mobile pages provided by the XHTML mobile rendering specification but I'm now wondering if there's anything I can do to accomplish this. I've found out that mobile pages that have full width elements look (in almost all cases) very good on most handsets I've tested. Thanks in advance! I cannot figure this out. I've tried adding clear: both in several places, I've tried overflow: hidden and I've tried cursing. Nothing works! How can this be fixed so that in IE6 the divs are not staggered vertically?? Code: <div style="height: 38px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 140px;"> <div style="float: left; height: 38px; width: 38px;"><img style="border: 1px solid #444444; vertical-align: middle" src="http://www.diversifieddesigns.com/GRAPHICS/Spacer.gif" alt="" width="38" height="38" border="0"></div> <div style="float: right; height: 38px; width: 102px;">copy</a><br>copy</a></div> </div> <div style="height: 38px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 140px;"> <div style="float: left; height: 38px; width: 38px;"><img style="border: 1px solid #444444; vertical-align: middle" src="http://www.diversifieddesigns.com/GRAPHICS/Spacer.gif" alt="" width="38" height="19" border="0"></div> <div style="float: right; height: 38px; width: 102px;"><img style="border: 1px solid #444444; vertical-align: middle" src="http://www.diversifieddesigns.com/GRAPHICS/Spacer.gif" alt="" width="38" height="8" border="0"></div> </div> Hey, I came across this forum and hopefully somebody can help me. Here is my website: http://www.jmuelectricmotorcycle.tk When the page is in firefox, If you page zoom out, the navbar goes under the content instead of staying on the right. I think it has something to do with padding and the sidebar not having enough room so it drops down. When I set the content to 1005 instead of 1000, it works, but there's a giant 5 pixel gap between my side bar and my content container. Also, does anybody know how to style called data from ssi.php in SMF forums? I want my login boxes to look like my main page. Thanks. Here is my css: Code: html { font: normal 12px verdana, arial; background-color: #000 } body { text-align: center } #fw-container { margin: 0 auto; width: 1000px; text-align: left } .hasSidebar #fw-container { width: 1000px; } a, a:visited { text-decoration: none; } a:hover { text-decoration: underline; } /* --- Header --- */ #fw-head { position: relative; height: 196px; background: #242424; } #fw-title { font: bold 26px verdana; letter-spacing: -1px; position: absolute; top: 20px; left: 20px; padding: 0; margin: 0; z-index: 10; } #fw-title a, #fw-title a:visited, #fw-title a:hover { color: #fff; } .fw-logo { width: 760px; height: 196px; position: absolute; } .hasSidebar .fw-logo { width: 1000px; } /* --- Navigation --- */ #fw-mainnavwrap { background: #242424; padding: 10px 20px; font-family: arial; font-weight: normal; border-top: 1px solid #000; border-bottom: 1px solid #000; } #fw-mainnavwrap ul { margin: 0; padding: 0; background: transparent; list-style-type: none; } #fw-mainnavwrap li { margin: 0px 15px 0px 0px; display: inline; } /* --- Content --- */ #fw-bigcontain { width: 760px; float: left; } .fw-paragraph { background: #242424 url('../Waveform/img/bg-p.gif') repeat-x top left; border-bottom: 1px solid #000; padding: 15px 20px 10px; overflow: hidden; } .fw-title { margin: 0px 0px 10px; font: 18px verdana; color: #fff; } .fw-text { margin-bottom: 10px; } /* --- Sidebar stuff --- */ .hasSidebar #fw-sidebar { width: 239px; float: right; font-size: 12px; clear: right; border-left: 1px solid #000; } #fw-sidebar .fw-title a, #fw-sidebar .fw-title a:visited, #fw-sidebar .fw-title a:hover { color: #fff; text-decoration: none; } #fw-sidebar .fw-title { font-size: 1.3em; font-weight: normal; } /* --- Footer --- */ #fw-footer { font: normal 10px verdana, sans-serif; background: #242424; margin: 0px; padding: 11px 0px 1px; color: #999; clear: both; width: 760px; } .fw-footertext { background: #161616; border-bottom: 1px solid #000; border-top: 1px solid #000; margin: 0px; padding: 6px 0px 6px 20px; } I am new to doing layouts in CSS and have a page (on an existing site) that I just did using CSS. The problem that I am having is that the "content" div has unwanted space above and below the div. I have padding & margins set to zero for the content div. Page is he http://www.prairieplugs.com/Sample1/sample1.htmlhttp://www.prairieplugs.com/Sample1/sample1.html CSS is he http://www.prairieplugs.com/Sample1...ieplugscss1.css Below is the CSS that is applicable: Code: body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: .9em; color: #000; background-color: #008F13; background-image: url(images/bgbottom.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: bottom; background-attachment: fixed; } #wrapper { width: 900px; margin-right: auto; margin-left: auto; padding-top: 15px; } #wrapper #header { background-image: url(images/headerSamp1.jpg); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; height: 276px; background-repeat: no-repeat; } #wrapper #nav { background-color: #FFF; background-image: url(images/navSamp1.jpg); background-repeat: no-repeat; height: 60px; width: 900px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; text-align: center; } #wrapper #content { background-image: url(images/contentSamp1.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-y; margin: 0px; width: 900px; background-color: #FFF; padding: 0px; } #wrapper #footer { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 0.8em; background-repeat: no-repeat; height: 79px; background-color: #FFF; background-image: url(images/footerSamp1.jpg); margin: 0px; padding: 0px; } #wrapper #nav ul { margin: 0px; list-style-type: none; text-align: center; padding-top: 20px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; color: #060; } #wrapper #footer p { text-align: center; margin: 0px; padding-top: 25px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; } #wrapper #nav ul li { display: inline; border-right-width: 3px; border-right-style: solid; border-right-color: #000; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold; font-variant: small-caps; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 10px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 10px; } #wrapper #nav ul li.last { border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; } #wrapper #nav ul li a:visited { text-decoration: none; } #wrapper #nav ul li a:hover { color: #000; text-decoration: underline; } #wrapper #nav ul li a { text-decoration: none; color: #FFF; } #wrapper #content p { font-family: Tahoma, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 1em; text-align: left; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 10px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 15px; } This is starting to bug me this problem, but on my site www.readinginfo.co.uk the background image (inner shadow and small gradient) at the top is playing up. It doesn't seem to want to align all the way over to the left, however as is always the way, it is working in firefox, ie7, 8 and safari. I've tried some of the ie6 fixes mentioned but I have the sneakiest of feelings that it is to do with the form element (the search box), positioning absolutely just bumps it over to the side. Thanks in advance for any reply!! Hi Guys I am having trouble trying to work out a bug that is creating a space between two div containers. To see what i mean click here for web page the css can be viewed here in firefox the two containers appear correctly but in internet explorer there is a 10px space between them. Could it have something to do with the background images? The div containing the login form also drops down in ie and i am convinced this is related to the main problem i am facing. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem is. Any help would be much appreciated! Hello All, I wanted to ask a question. I'm having trouble with spacing between two divs. Here's the site I'm working on: johnraymondonline.com/mjbfoundation/ The problem is that I'm trying to put a 20pixel margin between the bottom footer div (that contains "test test") and the div just above it. I'm not having much luck at all. I've done a clear and also have checked the divs several times to see if I've missed any. I've even put a div between with some height and that doesn't work. I'm not sure if one of the div's above it has a fixed height. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I have a drop down menu that works great in Chrome but in IE 9 I am getting spaces between my images for my navigation bar. My HTML is as follows... HTML Code: <ul id="nav"> <li><a href="#"><img src="../../images/global/header/home_btn.jpg" width="77" height="29" border="0" /></a> <ul> <li><a href="#" style="color:#000;">About Asthma</a></li> <li><a href="#" style="color:#000;">Treatment</a></li> <li><a href="#" style="color:#000;">Taking Control</a></li> <li><a href="#" style="color:#000;">Lifestyle</a></li> <li><a href="#" style="color:#000;">Resources & Support</a></li> </ul></li> <li><img src="../../images/global/header/spacer01.jpg" width="17" height="29" border="0" /></li> <li><a href="#"><img src="../../images/global/header/kids_btn.jpg" width="66" height="29" border="0" /></a></li> <li><img src="../../images/global/header/spacer01.jpg" width="17" height="29" border="0" /></li> <li><a href="#"><img src="../../images/global/header/allergy_btn.jpg" width="67" height="29" border="0" /></a></li> <li><img src="../../images/global/header/spacer01.jpg" width="17" height="29" border="0" /></li> </ul></li></ul> I have tried everything in my CSS to eliminate the spacing between the image files with no luck. Does anyone see what I am doing wrong here? This is my first time ever working with CSS. I am trying to put together a site; however, I am havings some setbacks straight out of the gate. I am trying to get the navigation bar to align up against the header. How do I eliminate the spacing between the header and the navigation bar? I have tried the padding: 0; method with no luck. PLEASE HELP! Thanks for taking the time to read my question. The contents in my .ContentContainer are positioned differently in IE6 and FF. I want them to look like FF. What is wrong with my CSS that makes IE6 have more space on the left side of the green globe than FF? My goal is to have the 2 blue vertical lines line up. They line up in FF and IE7, but not in IE6. www.scopicdesigns.com/ZoneAll/index.htm Thanks, Brad Hi there, we have created the following list menu and we want to reduce the space between the left hand page margin, and the disc, at the 1st part of the text closer. Example: This is what we see now. | Text Here Example: This is what we would like to see. | Text Here Any suggestions? ul a, li a{ margin:0; padding:0; } hello all, I have been working on a web site that is constructed 99% using divs and CSS. I have a unwanted space that is appearing in the main image in Internet Explorer on PC. MAc IE, Safari, Mozilla (PC), etc. work fine. Can someone see what is happening...I hope so! You can see the site at www.obsign.com Here is the code that I am working with: Code: <body> <script language=JavaScript> function Navigate() { var number = NavSelect.selectedIndex; location.href = NavSelect.options[number].value; } </script> <table class="boundaries"> <tr> <td class="vertical"> <center> <div id="site"> <div class="padding"> <div class="navigation"><div class="navigation"> <a href="index.php?id=2&sid=5c19320a27327c185d6699bf516e47ea" onmouseover="changeImage('about.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/about_over.jpg');" onmouseout="changeImage('about.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/about.jpg');"><img name="about.jpg" alt="About Us" src="customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/about.jpg" width="94" height="30" border="0" /></a><a href="index.php?id=4&sid=5c19320a27327c185d6699bf516e47ea" onmouseover="changeImage('services.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/services_over.jpg');" onmouseout="changeImage('services.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/services.jpg');"><img name="services.jpg" alt="Services" src="customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/services.jpg" width="94" height="30" border="0" /></a><a href="index.php?id=6&sid=5c19320a27327c185d6699bf516e47ea" onmouseover="changeImage('resources.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/resources_over.jpg');" onmouseout="changeImage('resources.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/resources.jpg');"><img name="resources.jpg" alt="Resources" src="customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/resources.jpg" width="94" height="30" border="0" /></a><a href="index.php?id=8&sid=5c19320a27327c185d6699bf516e47ea" onmouseover="changeImage('contact.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/contact_over.jpg');" onmouseout="changeImage('contact.jpg','customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/contact.jpg');"><img name="contact.jpg" alt="Contact" src="customizations/uploadedmedia/images_navigation/contact.jpg" width="94" height="30" border="0" /></a> </div> </div><div class="locations"><img alt="Cincinnati, Ohio - Cleveland, Ohio - Austin, Texas" src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/locations.jpg" width="362" height="30" border="0" /></div><div class="clear"></div><div class="logo"><img src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/logo.jpg" width="195" height="281" border="0" /></div><div class="image"><div class="main_1"><img name="width='533px' height='237px'" alt="The Safe Harbor Group, LLC" src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/main_1.jpg" width="533" height="237" border="0" /><br><img name="width='278px' height='21px'" alt="The Safe Harbor Group, LLC" src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/main_2.jpg" width="278" height="21" border="0" /><select style="vertical-align:top; padding:0px; border:0px; margin:0px; width:189px;" name="NavSelect" onChange="Navigate(this.form)"><option value="" SELECTED>Choose the Solution for You:<option value="#">Option 1<option value="about:blank">Option 2<option value="#">Option 3</select><img name="width='66px' height='21px'" alt="The Safe Harbor Group, LLC" src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/main_3.jpg" width="66" height="21" border="0" /><br><img name="width='533px' height='22px'" alt="The Safe Harbor Group, LLC" src="customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/main_4.jpg" width="533" height="22" border="0" /></div></div> <div class=""><h1>HOME BODY</h1> <p class="general_text">Now that you have installed the system, please proceed to customize and populate with content.</p></div> </div> </div> </center> </td> </tr> </table></body> </body> </html> Code: html { width:100%; height:100%; } body { width:100%; height:100%; margin:0px; padding:0px; background-image: url('http://www.obsign.com/customizations/safeharbor/templates/images/bg.jpg'); background-repeat:repeat } img { margin-bottom: 0px; } #site { text-align:left; width:770px; padding:0px; border:0px; margin:0px; background:#ffffff; border:1px solid #CFC9C0; } table { font-size: 100%; } a.breadcrumb { color: #444444; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; text-decoration:none; } a.breadcrumb:visited { color: #888888; font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; text-decoration:none; } ul { margin-bottom:5px; margin-top:5px; padding:0px; border:0px none; list-style-type:square; list-style-image:url('/uploadedobjects/images/bullet.gif') } li { padding-top:3px; } .text_highlight { background: #FDFD00; color: #000000; } .clear { clear:both; } .gentext { font: normal 110% Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Arial Narrow, sans-serif; color:#666666; } .gentext a { font: normal 110% Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Arial Narrow, sans-serif; color:#666666; } input.liteoption { background: #efefef; font: normal 100% Verdana, Arial, Arial Narrow, sans-serif; color:#444444; text-align:center; padding: 1px; border: 1px solid #dddddd; border-bottom: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-right: 1px solid #aaaaaa; } input.searchoption { font: bold 100% Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color : #eeeeee; color : #000000; border: 1px solid #000000; } input.text { font: normal 105% Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; border: 1px solid #dddddd; border-top: 1px solid #aaaaaa; border-left: 1px solid #aaaaaa; } select { font: normal 100% Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color: #000000; } .form_label { font:bold 100% Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; display:inline; color:#000000; } .search_text{ font:normal 9px Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; color:#000000; border-top:#000000; border-left:#000000; } .boundaries { width:100%; height:99%; } .vertical { vertical-align:middle; } .padding{ padding:16px; } .navigation{ border:0px; margin:0px; float:left; width:376px; } .locations{ border:0px; margin:0px; float:right; width:362px; } .logo{ padding:10px 10px 10px 0px; float:left; border:0px; margin:0px; } .image { padding:10px 0px 10px 0px; border:0px; margin:0px; } .main_1{ float:right; background:#EAE3DB; border:0px; white-space:nowrap; margin:0px; padding:0px; } I just launched my first website and I am having a little problem with spacing, it is pretty obvious. I tried the _ hack, and I played with some padding, but I couldn't get the thing to budge in IE. the site is (psugmb.com) Please help! Thank you! ::Kyle |