CSS - Simple One I Think - Right Aligned Container On Ie 5.0

I've had this problem before but figured I'd finally write for suggestions.

When tables that are aligned to a certain position of text, say to the right of the text, have style="margin-left: 10px" to avoid running right into the text, in I.E. that margin gets applied to the first line of the text as well. Easier to show:

http://wandp.american.edu/community_events.php

Notice the indentation in the text in IE that isn't in Firefox. I think what I did as a workaround before is give the table a white left border, or make an extra table column. Would like to avoid either (the border part because I might decide to change the background color or use this in several apps).

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Jeremy

I've had this problem before but figured I'd finally write for suggestions.

When tables that are aligned to a certain position of text, say to the right of the text, have style="margin-left: 10px" to avoid running right into the text, in I.E. that margin gets applied to the first line of the text as well. Easier to show:

http://wandp.american.edu/community_events.php

Notice the indentation in the text in IE that isn't in Firefox. I think what I did as a workaround before is give the table a white left border, or make an extra table column. Would like to avoid either (the border part because I might decide to change the background colo or use this in several apps).

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Jeremy

Hi,

i'm working on this search box but I can't get the 3 elements perfectly aligned, the bottom of the elements should be aligned.

What I have is:

Search: <input> <img>

Search is <label>, input is a normal input text box, <img> is used instead of submit.
The problem is, that the <img> is about 5px higer than the other two. The Search label and input are middle aligned.

Does anyone have a solution for this positioning problem? A link with workarounds would be useful. Thanx.

I've been trying to tweak the styling on hxxp://beecycle-co-uk.domain-ref.http.xenon.lon.periodicnetwork.com/Products.aspx?category=2&product=8 for a while now, and for some reason that page's #wrappper is aligned left, not center. I've picked through each element but I can't see any reason for it to do that. Am I missing something?

Is there any way to make some text vertically aligned inside a DIV? Just like you would do inside a cell?

Code:

<table><td valign="middle" height="100">This text is vertically aligned</td></table>

Apparently, the vertically-align CSS property only works if it is relative to other DIVs. What I want is some vertically aligned text inside a DIV.

Thanks for the help.

Hi,

I am making a site and it is important the text is always positioned over the background image in the same place. I have managed to do this. When I zoom out the text stays in the correct position however when I zoom in (as if I am looking on a smaller screen) the text re positions to the edge of the browser.

How can I keep the text in the same position on all monitors?

Here is what I have so far (I am very new to css):

#content {
text-align: left;
width: 1060px;
padding: 0px 30px 0px 30px;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}

Thanks
Cameron

Hi guys,

I've trawled the web for this query and have found many solutions, some work, some do not. Some are quite complex, some are fairly simple. I haven't quite found a technique I'm happy with just yet - or that I can get to work properly.

Please download the attached .zip and open the index.html in a browser.

Basically, that page will show a big main div tag container with 6 smaller divs within it, containing different sized backgound images, with text.

I would like the text to be right aligned (which it is)... but also vertically aligned in the middle (and here lies the problem).

With table cells it was easy, you aligned items right : middle. Not quite so easy with divs.... grrrrr.... they really shoulda sorted that aspect out ! Nevermind.

I've written down the Background pixel heights of the images to save people time - as I suspect the solution may lie with something to do with calculating the heights of the div tags (?)

If someone could perhaps jiggle the code and CSS a bit to help create the perfect, working vertically-aligned solution that'd be great - and then paste up either the full HTML code or full CSS code, or both please.... thanks a lot !

Cheers,
Andy

Sounds weird, but you know us designers are always looking for fresh ways to present content.

I've not actually managed to make this work, even though it seems ridiculously simple; in effect it would just be full justification except any orphaned lines would be right-justified, not left.

Any ideas?

How to get a text aligned vertically in a css button?

Wow I REALLY hate CSS. For hours I have been trying to figure this out:

Here is some HTML
Code:

<td>
    <div class="linksbar">
        <div class="linkstext">
            link - link - link - link
            <img src="imagelink.jpg">
            <img src="imagelink2.jpg">
        </div>
    </div>
</td>
[CODE]

the CSS
[CODE]
.linksbar {
    height: 28px;
    background-image: url(bg.jpg);
}

.linkstext {
    vertical-align: middle;
    line-height: 28px;
    font-weight: bold;
    color: white;
}

First problem: in Chrome, the text rests at the bottom of the div. I want it in the middle.

Second problem: in IE it looks like a mess. The text is sort of in the middle (more towards the bottom). the image links are at the very top. The image link height is like 20 or something.

I'm currently creating a simple website using css and its looks fine in IE however the nav bar is not aligned with everything else in Firefox. Sorry i'm new at CSS, thanks for the help in advance.

Here is the site: insightchirocare.ca

Here is the css code:
Code:

/* CSS Document */

*{
	padding:0;
	margin:0;
	width: auto;
}   
  
body {   
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;    
background-repeat:repeat-x;   
background-color:#ffffff;   
padding:0;   
margin:0;   
} 

#container {
	width:800px;
	margin:auto;
	padding-top: 30px;
	padding-right: 0px;
	padding-bottom: 0px;
	padding-left: 0px;
}   

/* HEADER IMAGE */  
#header{   
background-repeat:no-repeat;   
background-image: url(images/header.gif);   
height: 150px;   
width: 800px;   
float:left;   
margin:300 px;
padding-top: 0px;
padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 3px;
padding-left: 0px;   
}   
/* HEADER BACKGROUND IMAGE END */ 

  
/* NAVIGATION */  
#nav{   
width:800px;   
float:right;   
height:30px;   
margin-top: 0px;
margin-left: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-right: 40px;
padding-top: 0px;
padding-right: 0px;
padding-bottom: 3px;
padding-left: 0px;      
}   
  
.menu ul{   
padding:0;   
margin:0;   
list-style-type:none;   
list-style:none;   
display:inline;   
}   
  
.menu li{   
padding-right:0px;   
margin:0 0px 0 0;   
height:30px;   
list-style-type:none;   
list-style:none;   
display:inline;   
float:left;   
}   
  
span{   
display:none;   
}   
  
#home a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/home.gif);   
width:74px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#home a:hover { 
background:url(images/nav_bar/home_gr.gif);   
width:74px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;  
}
#home a:active { 
background:url(images/nav_bar/home_gr.gif);   
width:74px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;  
}   
  
#about_us a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/about_us.gif);   
width:82px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}   
#about_us a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/about_us_gr.gif);   
width:82px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#about_us a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/about_us_gr.gif);   
width:82px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
  
#first_visit a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/first_visit.gif);   
width:81px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#first_visit a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/first_visit_gr.gif);   
width:81px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#first_visit a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/first_visit_gr.gif);   
width:81px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}   
  
#gonstead_chiro a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/gonstead_chiro.gif);   
width:162px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#gonstead_chiro a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/gonstead_chiro_gr.gif);   
width:162px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#gonstead_chiro a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/gonstead_chiro_gr.gif);   
width:162px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}  

#faq a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/faq.gif);   
width:71px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#faq a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/faq_gr.gif);   
width:71px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#faq a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/faq_gr.gif);   
width:71px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}  

#kid_chiro a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/kids_chiro.gif);   
width:124px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#kid_chiro a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/kids_chiro_gr.gif);   
width:124px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#kid_chiro a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/kids_chiro_gr.gif);   
width:124px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}  

#testimonials a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/testimonials.gif);   
width:105px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#testimonials a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/testimonials_gr.gif);   
width:105px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#testimonials a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/testimonials_gr.gif);   
width:105px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}  

#contact_us a{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/contact_us.gif);   
width:101px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
#contact_us a:hover{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/contact_us_gr.gif);   
width:101px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
}
#contact_us a:active{   
background:url(images/nav_bar/contact_us_gr.gif);   
width:101px;   
height:30px;   
display:block;   
} 
/* NAVIGATION END*/ 

/* LEFT_CONTENT*/   
#left_content {
	height: 450px;
	width: 500px;
	font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 12px;
	color: #757171;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-left: 0px;
	float: left;
	margin-right: 5px;
	background-color:ffffff;
}   
/* LEFT_CONTENT END*/  

/* REG_CONTENT*/  
#reg_content {   
height: auto;   
width: 800px;   
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;   
font-size: 12px;   
color: #757171;   
margin-top: 0px;   
margin-left: 0px; 
background-color:#ffffff; 
}   
/* REG_CONTENT END*/ 

/* RIGHT_CONTNET*/  
#right_content{
	height: 450px;
	width: auto;
	font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
	font-size: 12px;
	color: #757171;
	padding: 0;
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-left: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 0px;
	margin-right: 0px;
	background-color:#e3e3e3;
}   
/* RIGHT_CONTENT END*/ 
  
h1 {   
padding:0;   
margin:0;   
font-size:16px;   
color:#008bcf;   
font-family: Verdana;   
font-weight: normal;   
}   

h2 {   
padding:0;   
margin:0;   
font-size:12px;   
color:#008bcf;   
font-family: Verdana;   
font-weight: normal;   
}  
  
p {
	padding:0;
	margin:0;
	font-size:12px;
	color:#757171;
	font-family: Verdana;
}   


/* FOOTER*/  
#footer {
	padding : 0;
	width: 800px;
	height: 40px;
	background: url(images/footer.gif);
	margin-top: 2px;
	margin-right: auto;
	margin-bottom: 30px;
	margin-left: auto;
}   
/* FOOTER END*/ 

.clearfloats {clear:both;}

A:link {
text-decoration: underline; color: #008BCF;
}
A:visited {
text-decoration: underline; color: #008BCF;
}
A:active {
text-decoration: underline; color: #18fa07;
}
A:hover {
text-decoration: underline; color: #18fa07;
}

hi, i'm wondering whether anyone here knows something that i don't about this...

here's some code:

Code:

<div style="position:absolute; left:30px; top:90px; width:380px; height:80px; border: 3px double #000000; padding:10px; padding-top:5px; line-height:150%">
<table width="380" height="80" border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
<tr>
<td valign="middle">
<div align="center" style="width:380px;">
<span style="font-size:11px; text-align:left;">
aligned to the left.<BR>
but is it centered?<BR>
i think not.<BR>
</span>
</div>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</div>

i'm able to achieve vertically centered text in the table cell, and i can center it or align it to the left, but so far in my experimenting i haven't found a way to have text that is aligned to the left, centered in the div.

i could always just add a bunch of padding-left on the div so that the text is pushed over and looks nicer although it is not centered, but i'm wondering whether there's a way to do it the way i originally planned to..

thanks very much for looking at this.

Hi there!

About a week ago I posted here about an issue, and I received an immense amount of support, so I figured I'd come back here with anything I ran into!

My website, in its current state, can be found here.

You'll notice that the right column is stuck below the main content area. This is undesirable. Ideally, that gray box would align with the top of the content area, thus creating a simple 2-column layout.

In IE (at least version 7), the gray box is shown BELOW the main content area, but still completely inside the #contentwrap div. In Opera and Firefox, however, the gray box is partially in and partially out of the #contentwrap div. I'm not sure what this is due to, (perhaps something weird in my coding?), but either way I just need to get that column to align with the top of the main content area.

My code validated fine (but of course that doesn't make it perfect...), and I have provided the complete code for both the (X)HTML and the CSS below:

Code:
xhtml

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

<head>
	<meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
	<title>Function T .:. Home</title>
	<style type="text/css" media="all">@import "css/master.css";</style>
</head>

<body>

<div id="entire-page">
	<div id="page-container">
		<div id="ghost"></div>
		<div id="header"></div>
		<div id="navigation">
			<ul id="linkmenu">
		  		<li class="n-home"><a href="#"><span>Home</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-bio"><a href="#"><span>Bio</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-media"><a href="#"><span>Media</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-contact"><a href="#"><span>Contact</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-reviews"><a href="#"><span>Reviews</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-tutorials"><a href="#"><span>Tutorials::</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-charts"><a href="#"><span>Charts::</span></a></li>
				<li class="n-links"><a href="#"><span>Links</span></a></li>
			</ul>
		</div>
		<div id="contentwrap">
			<div id="content">		
				<h1>New Website Launched!</h1>
				<h2>10.01.2008</h2>
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				<h1>This is Only a Test</h1>
				<h2>10.01.2008</h2>
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				Et eam eius nostro. In alienum definitiones nec, sed wisi mentitum incorrupte ea, ei per quando appetere. Eu dicta vitae ignota vel. Eu qui quot aperiri adipiscing, eu vim novum deleniti, quod kasd eu has. Copiosae incorrupte neglegentur mea cu, sit adolescens elaboraret constituam te, ea sea tamquam molestie definiebas. Rebum harum labore pro ex, ex soluta contentiones vix, no usu esse nominati mandamus. <br/><br/>

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				<h1>New Site Coming Soon!</h1>
				<h2>09.29.2008</h2>
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			</div>
			<div id="rightbar">
				<h2>THIS IS A TEST</h2>
				I am trying to see if I can get this column to align to the top of my browser content-wrapper div!<br/><br/>
				Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to work!<br/> 
			</div>
		</div>
		<div id="content-bottom"></div>
		<div id="footer">
			Home - Bio - Media - Contact - Reviews - Tutorials - Charts - Links <br/>
			All information Copyright 2008 Tom Winchester unless otherwise specified. All original artists <br/>
			and labels retain their full respective rights and royalties to all copyrighted material. Mixes are presented <br/>
			for promotional purposes only. Duplication of any material in part or in whole without the <br/>
			express written consent of Tom Winchester is strictly prohibited.
		</div>
	</div>
	
</div>


</body>
</html>

Code:
css

html, body {
	margin: 0px;
	padding: 0px;
	background: url(../images/bgpattern.gif);
}

#entire-page {
}

#page-container {
	margin: auto;
	width: 750px;
}

#ghost {
	height: 15px;
}

#header {
	height: 110px;
	background: url(../images/headers/rotator.php);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
}

#navigation {
	width: 750px;
	height: 40px;
	background: url(../images/navigation.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
}

ul#linkmenu, #linkmenu li {
	padding: 0px;
	margin: 0px;
	list-style: none;
}

ul#linkmenu {
	float: left;
	height: 0;
}

#linkmenu li {
	font-family: "Times New Roman", Times, Georgia, sans-serif;
	position: relative;
	width: 10px;
}

.n-home {
	top: 7px;
	left: 30px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-bio {
	top: -18px;
	left: 116px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-media {
	top: -43px;
	left: 179px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-contact {
	top: -70px;
	left: 271px;
	font-size: 24px;
}	

.n-reviews {
	top: -95px;
	left: 392px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-tutorials {
	top: -120px;
	left: 485px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-charts {
	top: -145px;
	left: 592px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

.n-links {
	top: -170px;
	left: 678px;
	font-size: 22px;
}

#linkmenu li a {
	text-decoration: none;
	background: none;
}

#linkmenu li a span {
	visibility: hidden;
}

#contentwrap {
	background-image: url(../images/contentbg.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-y;
	width: 750px;
	padding-top: 0px;
	padding-left: 0px;
	padding-right: 0px;
	padding-bottom: 0px;
}

#content {
	width: 495px;
	padding-right: 245px;
	padding-left: 10px;
	padding-top: 0px;
	padding-bottom: 0px;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, Times;
	font-style: normal;
	font-size: 12px;
	color: #858585;
	
}

#rightbar {
	float: right;
	width: 225px;
	margin-left: 505px;
	margin-right: 10px;
	background: gray;
	text-align: center;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, Times;
	font-style: normal;
	font-size: 12px;
	color: #000000;
}

#content-bottom {
	height: 5px;
	background-image: url(../images/contentbgbottom.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
}

#footer {
	height: 80px;
	padding: 5px;
	text-align: center;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, Times;
	font-style: normal;
	font-size: 11px;
	color: #cfcfcf;
}

h1 {
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 0px;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, Times;
	font-size: 24px;
	font-weight: 200;
	color: #1c2939;
}

h2 {
	margin-top: 0px;
	margin-bottom: 7px;
	font-family: "Trebuchet MS", Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, Times;
	font-size: 12px;
	font-weight: 200;
	color: #c49271;
}
	
	

THANK YOU!!!!

-Tom Winchester-

How to make images that are right aligned with the web page window?

Anyone helps? Thanks in advance.

Hi Everyone,

I'm new here - have lurked on and off - great forum.

I am using a suckerfish wordpress plug-in, it has been working fine until I added 3rd level of pages to the navigation. Still works fine in FF, Safari, Opera & Chrome but mis-aligns (offsets) 3rd level navigation to the right in IE 7 (not tested in IE8 or 6).

I have attached screenshots of the problem.

Correctly positioned in FF
URL

Mis-aligned in IE7
URL

*Just realised that as a new user the imgage URLs are stripped - so I shall try to describe the problem. In most browsers the 3rd level navigation appears directly adjacent to the second level navigation. In IE it appears 80 or so pixels to the right with a gap in between making it impossible to access the 3rd level menu.


The CSS is

Code:

#suckerfishnav {
	background:#81aaf2 url(../multi-level-navigation-plugin/images/suckerfish_JP.png) repeat-x;
	font-size:13px;
	font-family:verdana,sans-serif;
	font-weight:bold;
	width:100%;
	z-index: 1000;
}
#suckerfishnav, #suckerfishnav ul {
	float:left;
	list-style:none;
	line-height:34px;
	padding:0;
	margin:0;
	width:100%;
	}
#suckerfishnav a {
	display:block;
	color:#dddddd;
	text-decoration:none;
	padding:0px 10px;
	z-index: 1000;
}
#suckerfishnav li {
float:left;
	padding:0;
	z-index: 1000;
}
#suckerfishnav ul {
	position:absolute;
	left:-999em;
	height:auto;
	width:151px;
	font-weight:normal;
	margin:0;
	line-height:1;
	border:0;
	border-top:1px solid #666666;
	z-index: 1000;
}
#suckerfishnav li li {
	width:149px;
	border-bottom:1px solid #666666;
	border-left:1px solid #666666;
	border-right:1px solid #666666;
	font-weight:bold;
	font-family:verdana,sans-serif;
	z-index: 1000;
}
#suckerfishnav li li a {padding:4px 10px;	width:130px;font-size:12px;color:#dddddd;}#suckerfishnav li ul ul {margin:-21px 0 0 150px;}
#suckerfishnav li li:hover {
	background:#81aaf2;
}
#suckerfishnav li ul li:hover a, 
#suckerfishnav li ul li li:hover a, 
#suckerfishnav li ul li li li:hover a, 
#suckerfishnav li ul li li li:hover a  {color:#dddddd;}
#suckerfishnav li:hover a, #suckerfishnav li.sfhover a {color:#dddddd;}
#suckerfishnav li:hover li a, 
#suckerfishnav li li:hover li a, 
#suckerfishnav li li li:hover li a, 
#suckerfishnav li li li li:hover li a {color:#dddddd;}
#suckerfishnav li:hover ul ul, 
#suckerfishnav li:hover ul ul ul, 
#suckerfishnav li:hover ul ul ul ul, 
#suckerfishnav li.sfhover ul ul, 
#suckerfishnav li.sfhover ul ul ul, 
#suckerfishnav li.sfhover ul ul ul ul  {left:-999em;}
#suckerfishnav li:hover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li:hover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li li:hover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li li li:hover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li.sfhover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li.sfhover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li li.sfhover ul, 
#suckerfishnav li li li li.sfhover ul  {
	left:auto;
	background:#00a33d;
}
#suckerfishnav li:hover, 
#suckerfishnav li.sfhover {
left:auto;	
background:#81aaf2;
}

I think perhaps the 3rd level navigation is inheriting a margin(?) from somewhere but I need someone with a bigger brain than mine to help me see it!

Many thanks to anyone who can help.