CSS - Accessibility And No Stylesheet
On the one hand Accessibility guidelines state that sites should work even if stylesheets fail to load...
... and then on another hand, you're told not to include any style/layout/formatting within an html page - to use the stylesheet instead. My question is this. Say i create a site which is arranged in the common layout of header at top, nav menu floated to the left, main content sitting on the right, and then footer below. Should the layout of the div's, namely the float left etc be within the webpage or the stylesheet. I guess most people will say stylesheet, but that means if the stylesheet fails to load, the site layout will be completely messed up with the content appearing below the nav menu. Do you make an exception in this case and include some limited layout-style information in the webpage? What are people's opinions on this? Similar TutorialsQuote: Dan Cederholm of SimpleBits: It's important to note that the cascading effect of CSS still applies, and alternate style sheets work just like any other style sheet, in that only common rules are overridden when the alternate styles are active. So if we had layout, positioning, and other site-wide rules in default.css that weren't repeated in the alternate style sheets, those default rules would still work. I'm making a site that has a default stylesheet with a fixed layout and an alternative one with a fluid layout. The problem I'm having is the alternative sheet not inheriting css from the default stylesheet even though the rules are not overridden. At the moment, my alternative stylesheet is an exact copy of the original (everything included) with only 3 width values changed to percentages. Theoretically, I should be able to only include these three rules alone in the alt sheet, as rules are carried over from the default sheet unless overridden. However, when I do try to reduce the alt sheet to just: Code: #container { width: auto; } #main { width: 65%; } #navbar { width: 30%; } all unincluded formatting is lost. Am I doing something wrong? Cheers, Sam. I have a very strange problem. My firefox is ignoring the changes I made to the style sheet. I have this in my webpage and the style.css file location is right (one directory up). <link href="../style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> Because it's ignoring my new changes, I deleted everything in my style.css file, and the page still displays as though the file exists. However, if I delete the above line, then the page will display without any style. IE is loading with the changes I made though. I have also checked my stylesheet with the W3C css validation and it has no error. So, any body know why this is happening? Hi, I have a small problem. I nearly created all the CSS of my web application, and have my layour in place .. and so far I did not even use one single table for the design. However now I tried to see how my website breaks up when the user Scrolls the mouse while pressing Ctrl (if you do this on google you will notice the fonts get small or bigger depending on how the user scrolls). To my amazment nothing happens. The website stayed as is!! I have defined all fonts (normal text, headers, etc) using the pt notation (example font-size: 10pt. I tried using the em notation, but nothing happened either. Now I am a little bit scared. I tought that this feature is a must-have for accessability and I really wanted to make sure that my website was accessable (This was one of the reasons why I wanted to develop a website with only css!) Does anyone have any ideas about this? Regards, Sim085 The Q tag is supposed to be used for inline quotations, whereas the BLOCKQUOTE tag for longer quotations. The Q tag is suppose to render quotation marks around the enclosed quote, but does not do so in IE. As far as I known (have read in various articles), IE is the only browser that does not enclose the quote with quotation marks. I have a single-lined quote I want to display and was hoping to use the Q tag as I don't find it neccessary to use the BLOCKQUOTE tag since it's only a 5-word sentence and the BLOCKQUOTE does not render quotation marks around the data in any browser (instead indents both the left and right margins). If I were to forget about both tags competely and just enclose my quote with quotation marks it would 'appear' correct, though it does not adhear to accessibility guidelines as a screen-reader browser like JAWS would not realize it is actually a quotation and would read it the same as any other text enclosed in a P tag. If I were to use the Q tag and add the quotation marks, IE would look right, but in all the other browsers there would be double quotation marks. Should I de-style the Q tag so the quotation marks do not show? If that is possible I could continue using the appropriate tag and just add the quotation marks manually but it would still look right on all web browsers (including text-only browsers), and it would be read properly. Though, is that even possible? and if it were, is it backwards-compatible or will it only work on recent web browsers? Another alternative would be to use the BLOCKQUOTE and add the quotations manually and style the BLOCKQUOTE tag accordingly... but again, this is meant for longer quotations, but may be the only reasonable alternative? OR style the Q tag to have quotation marks before and after in IE, but IE doesn't support 'content:' correct? Does anyone know of a solution? or which of my 'fixes' would you suggest? Thank you. Edit I was thinking about this more and I think I came up with a pretty good solution: Code: q:before, q:after { content:''; } IE already doesn't display the quotes so it doesn't matter that it doesn't support the above code, the rest of the browsers do (i think?), so I can continue to use the Q tag, whilst adding the quotation marks manually. Good fix? I know there is a forum for this, so I will not paste any URL or such without permission (I don't have 30 posts required to even post there, so). I don't want to get banned, etc. for posting something so instead I will simply ask^_^ & say, "Thank you!" for everyone is helpful here & provides a good community (& endless reading material via posts, tutorials etc!). So, what am I really asking about? "I've been learning XHTML & CSS as a hobby for the past few weeks & needed something to experiment with; my excuse for this practice takes on the form of a personal webpage (not quite comfortable with my name online, I created a pseudonymous company name). For this little project, my goal was to be simple: accessible, valid, & XHTML/CSS only (with hopefully no Javascript or as few hacks/filters as possible)." With that said, it would probably be helpful to actually see my web page to let me know how it's going....but as I said, I don't think it would really belong here (this is not website critique forum & I am not really sure where else to ask since I love this community) I have tested it's viewability on IE6/win, Opera 9.24, Firefox 2.0.0.11 & Safari 3.0b/win, but I don't have access to a Mac machine, either. It's built to be usable with 800x600 resolution (or viewport) in mind, though I designed it with 1024x768. Would it be okay if I ask for some of the more experienced designers to take a look at my coding & layouts to make sure everything is on track? I'm designing a webpage that uses an image for the header/logo. i need the page to have certain things: (1) it needs to be accessible for screen readers (2) it needs to have two stylesheets - the main one <link href= ............. media="screen"/> + one that enables printing of text only, without images e.g. <link href= ............. media="print"/> To get (1) i need to have the alt="whatever" attribute in the html, but i can only do that if i have img src="xxxxx" in the html. To get the print-text-only style sheet i need to have the image in the main css stylesheet e.g. background-image:url (xxx/xxx); instead of having img src="xxxxx" in the html. So my question is: how do I get alt="whatever" if there's no img src="xxxxx" in the html? Or what's the alternative? I hope this makes sense to you, 'cause I've been going round in circles with it! TIA, jifjaf A random thought popped into my head today about whether it matters if a site is fluid or static with regards to accessibility. Wherever possible I do try to design fluid sites but is there anything wrong with a static design if you then add an extra CSS file for handheld devices etc? Hi guys, For a pure CSS site, is it depreciated to have a border="0" tag in <img elements? (My reasoning is that if one browser doesn't support CSS, it will show the user images with ugly borders... that's anyway the default behavior in IE and FF). Thank you I was wondering does anyone know where I can obtain the Internet Explorer 6 stylesheet for Windows XP? The UI components in IE6 look different in Windows XP than IE6 for Windows 2000. I would like to obtain the stylesheet if it is available somewhere. Thanks for your help. Val I have three different css Stylesheets. Now I want to give access to my users to change their required styles using dropdownlist. And next time when the user is login in the same last selected style sheet should be displayed to him. How can i do this please help me its urgent ? Hey all, a few probs here. My new webpage coded with stylesheets: http://www.stocksbridgepentaqua.co.uk/test/index.php It looks good in IE and bad in FireFox (mozilla) its not a major problem because the ppl im targetting are using IE. Next, on this page: http://www.stocksbridgepentaqua.co..../index.php?id=9 I want a scroll bar in the actual window instead of it making the box massive. And another thing, how do I make a space between the bottom of the website and the bottom of the browser? Thanks. Jack. I'm fairly new at web development and pretty much a newbie at using CSS. I noticed on foxnews.com that they use a parameter with the CSS file. I've did searches on this but not turned up alot. Code: <LINK REL=STYLESHEET TYPE="text/css" HREF="/css/mainStyles2004.css?v2"> <LINK REL=STYLESHEET TYPE="text/css" HREF="/css/rootStyles.css?v3"> I'm assuming the ?v2 and ?v3 are PHP like paramters. I looked at the CSS file using the firefox web developer toolbar and I didn't see any referance to v2 or v3 in those files? Can anyone explain this to me? ok the stylesheet contains this: BODY, TD, TR, P, UL, OL, LI, INPUT, SELECT, DL, DD, DT, FONT { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Clean, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; } and I need to add this into it BODY { scrollbar-face-color: #DEE3E7; scrollbar-highlight-color: #FFFFFF; scrollbar-shadow-color: #DEE3E7; scrollbar-3dlight-color: #D1D7DC; scrollbar-arrow-color: #006699; scrollbar-track-color: #EFEFEF; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #98AAB1; } Ok here's what I don't understand. The original stylesheet(used by a php script) contains lots of things at the top separated by commas. Does that mean that it will affect all of those things? So I have to do this? BODY { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Clean, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; scrollbar-face-color: #DEE3E7; scrollbar-highlight-color: #FFFFFF; scrollbar-shadow-color: #DEE3E7; scrollbar-3dlight-color: #D1D7DC; scrollbar-arrow-color: #006699; scrollbar-track-color: #EFEFEF; scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #98AAB1; } TD, TR, P, UL, OL, LI, INPUT, SELECT, DL, DD, DT, FONT { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Clean, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; } Sorry about the newbie question, but I gotta start some where. Hi Could someone assist me in making a print stylesheet for this site please! http://calibrehr.com/new/ What I need is: just the logo to display (remove nav) The text in the orange block to span the width of the page Remove subnav Some how diplsay the text that is in the purple boxes below the main content text I am stuck as to what to do and could really appreciate some help Many thanks! Hey, I've run into a problem where I though i knew how to do it an easy way but it only worked for about 5 minutes. Here is what I have. All of my pages have the same navigation from an external PHP file. The style is saved in the main.css stylesheet. When you select a link it gets a background image. I thought that I could save my self having to edit every page for IE by doing this in the main.css stylesheet Code: * html>#navwhatever{ /*set to gif iamge instead of PNG image*/ background-image:url('image/splash_legion.gif'); } This doesn't work. It still uses the PNG images. I'd realy like not to have to edit every page to fix my site for IE, any suggestions would be great. Thanks for reading Hi people, I am completely new to programming and have only spent this weekend learning it! I have managed to create a decent website already, however i am stuck at a point. On my main page, i have attached a CSS stylesheet with all the formatting for my page. My problem however is that when i try to format one section (<div id="gallery">) the formatting messes with the rest of the page. Is there a way that i can assign a style sheet to only that <div id="gallery"> without it applying to the entire html page. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks Chris Can you only exclude elements from a Print stylesheet? I'd like to print only a table of data and nothing else on the web page in a print style sheet. Hello All, I was hoping that you could look at a site for me, and help me figure out what is causing the rendering issues in IE6/7. I have a separate CSS stylesheet for anything that is IE7 or lower; however, I am not sure if it is actually loading at all. I don't really have access to IE6/7 in a live environment, to check everything about the site, so if anyone has any suggestions for tools that will allow me to work with a live view of IE6/7 that would be a great help as well. The site link is: http://www.saracanada.com/ Thanks in advance everyone. Hiya, theres a website I'm creating a print stylesheet for which includes the company logo in the header, with a footer of contact details. problem is, the website is all static pages and 100 odd pages, so as I'm having to deal with the static state of the site for now, is there a way I can have in the Print stylesheet or in the CSS where the logo can be inserted in a header and a footer created with text? hope this makes sense? |