CSS - Painfully Simple Css (padding) Working Differently In Diff Browsers
Hello, I'm working on some really simple CSS and it's giving me wildly different results in Firefox and in IE.
Here is the stylesheet: PHP Code: body { background-color: #DECFEF; } .example { background-image: url("images/example.gif"); border-width: thin; border-color: white; border-style: solid; padding: 35px 35px 35px 35px; } And here is the HTML file: PHP Code: <html> <head> <title>Chatterbox</title> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/teststyle.css"> </head> <body> <table class='example'><tr><td> hello </td></tr></table> </body> </html> All of this works (the image in the background, the white border, etc.) except the padding! In IE there is no padding at all, but in Firefox there is 35px padding, as specified in the stylesheet. You may see this yourself if you go to this URL in the two different browsers: http://www.chatterboxletters.com/test3.html Any help is greatly appreciated ~j. Similar TutorialsHi I have this small problem with one of my sites when viewed in IE *surprise surprise* Let's say I have a div called "foo". I specify a width and set a padding of 10px. Code: <style> .foo { width: 100px; padding: 10px; } </style> <div class="foo">Bar</div> Firefox, Opera and Mozilla interprets this as an element which's "text area" is 100px and there's an additional 10px on both sides. So the actual width of the div is 120px. IE doesn't interpret it like that. If I set widht=100px, then the actual width is 100px regardless if I have paddings or not. Now these different types of interprations are causing me a head ache. Is there any "trick" to make the div to be equally wide in all browsers? If not, I guess the only option is to use tables - Kimppa Hi, As you no doubt can tell from the title of this thread I'm a newb. I'm familiar with html but moving into learning css. Self taught, I no doubt have a lot to learn but I'm attempting to alter a template and would really appreciate some assistance. The site is www . inspirationz . info. I look at the site on my main monitor which is a large one and all looks fine. The two boxes in the main content area sit side by side, however when I look at it on my laptop or on a smaller monitor the navigation box on the right appears to sit still to the right, but beneath the box on the left. It didn't appear this way in firefox browser at first on my laptop, only Internet Explorer, but it appears that way on my other pc monitor in firefox so I assume it's likely to be a coding error. I have included some of the stylesheet coding below. Is anyone able to help me work out what's causing this? Thank you in advance. /*================================================================ Typography and links ==================================================================*/ a:link, a:visited { color: #999999; text-decoration: none; } h1 a:link, h1 a:visited, h2 a:link, h2 a:visited, .sidebar_nav a { text-decoration: none; } h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { font-size: 1em; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: .16em; } .featured h2 { font-size: 1.8em; font-weight: normal; text-transform: uppercase; } .post_header h2 {font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: normal; margin-top: 10px;} .post_header_page h1, .post_header_single h1 { font-size: 2em; font-weight: normal; text-transform: uppercase; } #footer h3 {margin-bottom: 25px; border-bottom: 1px dotted gray; padding: 5px;} .featured p { font-size: .8em; font-style: italic; } p { margin: 15px 0px; } .post_body_page p, .post_body_single p {margin: 0; padding: 15px 0px;} small { font-size: 0.8em; font-style: italic; } strong {font-weight: bold;} .post_body p { font-size: 1em; margin: 10px 0px; } .more { margin-top: 10px; margin-right: -10px; float: right; } .more_big { margin-top: -20px; margin-right: 20px; float: right; width: 139px; height: 73px; } .footer_comments { float: left; margin-left: 20px; margin-top: 20px; } .comment_count { font-weight: bold; font-size: 1.8em; } .featured_datetime {margin: 6px 0px} .featured_more { float: right; font-weight: bold; margin-right: 20px; text-decoration: underline; } .post_body_page ol, .post_body_single ol { list-style-type: upper-roman; margin: 30px 0px; } .post_body_page ol li, .post_body_single ol li { list-style-type: upper-roman; margin-left: 60px; } .post_body_page ul, .post_body_single ul { list-style-type: upper-roman; margin: 30px 0px; } .post_body_page ul li, .post_body_single ul li { list-style-type: disc; margin-left: 60px; } blockquote { margin: 0px 30px; padding: 20px; border: 1px dotted gray; font-style: italic; } /*================================================================ Site Structure ==================================================================*/ body { font-size:100%; line-height:1.125em; font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; background-color: #f0f0f0; background-image: url(images/index/body.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-x; color: #7C7C7C; } #page_wrapper { width: 976px; margin: 0px auto; position: relative; } #featured { height: 230px; margin-right: 3px; margin-bottom: 30px; border: 0px solid red; padding: 15px; background-image: url(images/index/featured.jpg); background-repeat: no-repeat; } #header { width: 667px; margin: auto; height: 109px; background-image: url(images/index/header.jpg); } #container { width: 990px; margin: 140px auto; font-size:0.875em; } #main_content_left_index { width: 600px; float: left; } #main_content_left { width: 600px; float: left; } #main_content_right { width: 343px; float: right; } #footer { height: 250px; padding: 130px 130px 50px 130px; margin: auto; clear: both; background-color: #eeefef; background-image: url(images/index/footer.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: top; } #footer_contents {width: 990px; margin: auto;} #footer_left {width: 460px; margin: auto; float: left;} #footer_right {width: 460px; margin: auto; float: right;} /*================================================================ The columns ==================================================================*/ #first_column { float: left; width: 280px; } #second_column { float: right; width: 280px; } /*================================================================ The posts ==================================================================*/ .posts { background-image: url(images/index/posts.jpg); height: 333px; width: 275px; margin-bottom: 60px; } .post_header { height: 38px; width: 255px; padding: 10px; border: 0px solid red; } .post_body { width: 255px; height: 180px; padding: 10px; overflow: hidden; font-size: .9em; } .post_footer { height: 58px; width: 275px; margin-top: 15px; } .post_header_page, .post_header_single { background-image: url(images/index/PostHeaderPage.jpg); height: 38px; width: 547px; padding: 25px; text-align: center; } .post_body_page, .post_body_single { background-image: url(images/index/PostBodyPage.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-y; width: 547px; padding: 0px 25px; } .post_footer_page, .post_footer_single{ clear: both; background-image: url(images/index/PostFooterPage.jpg); height: 90px; width: 477px; margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 0px 60px; font-style: italic; } .next_prev { border: 0px dotted gray; height: 29px; clear: both; margin-bottom: 20px; background-image: url(images/index/next_prev_posts.jpg); width: 577px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 10px; padding-left: 10px; } .next_prev_comments { border: 0px dotted gray; height: 29px; clear: both; margin-bottom: 20px; background-image: url(images/index/next_prev_comments.jpg); width: 535px; padding-top: 10px; padding-right: 10px; padding-left: 10px; } /*================================================================ The sidebars ==================================================================*/ .sidebar_header { background-image: url(images/index/sidebar_header.jpg); height: 91px; width: 340px; } .sidebar_body { display: block; float: left; margin:0 0 0px 0; width: 290px; padding: 25px; background: url(images/index/sidebar_body.jpg) repeat-y; } .sidebar_bottom { background-image: url(images/index/sidebar_footer.jpg); height: 56px; width: 340px; clear: both; margin-bottom: 40px; } /*================================================================ Sidebar Navigation ==================================================================*/ .sidebar_nav ul {} .sidebar_nav li {} .sidebar_nav ul li { display: block; padding: 4px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #515151; font-size: .8em; } .sidebar_nav ul ul li {margin-left: 10px; border-bottom: none; font-size: 1em;} .sidebar_nav ul ul ul li {margin-left: 10px;} .sidebar_nav { margin-bottom: 20px; } .sidebar_nav ul { } .sidebar_nav a {display: block; padding: 4px; } .sidebar_nav a:link, #navlist a:visited { color: #666666; text-decoration: none; } .sidebar_nav a:hover { background: #d8d8d8 } /*================================================================ Top navigation ==================================================================*/ #top_nav_menu { position: absolute; top: 132px; left: 0; width: 950px; } /***** drop menu *****/ #dropmenu, #dropmenu ul { list-style-positionutside; position:relative; line-height:1.5em; z-index:300; width:100%; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: .18em; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; } #dropmenu a { display:block; padding: 5px 15px; text-decoration:none; color: #666666; font-size: 1.2em; font-family: Georgia, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; letter-spacing: .18em; } #dropmenu a:hover { color:#000; text-decoration: underline; } #dropmenu li { float:left; position:relative; } #dropmenu ul { position: absolute; display: none; width: 18em; top: 1.9em; left: 0px; } #dropmenu ul a { background: url(images/index/dropmenu_bg.png) } #dropmenu ul a:hover { } #dropmenu li ul { width:14.1em; margin-top: 4px; } #dropmenu li ul a { width: 250px; height: auto; float: left; } #dropmenu ul ul { top:auto; } #dropmenu li ul ul { left: 265px; margin:0px 0 0 10px; } #dropmenu li:hover ul ul, #dropmenu li:hover ul ul ul, #dropmenu li:hover ul ul ul ul { display:none; } #dropmenu li:hover ul, #dropmenu li li:hover ul, #dropmenu li li li:hover ul, #dropmenu li li li li:hover ul { display:block; } /*================================================================ Categories Navigation ==================================================================*/ #main_categories { margin: auto; height: 20px; width: 976px; margin-bottom: 30px; } /* Horizontal Category List (frontpage) */ ul.horizontal_categories { clear: both; } .horizontal_categories li { display: inline; background: url(images/index/cat_bullet.png) no-repeat right center; font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: .08em; } .horizontal_categories a { padding: 0px 25px; } .horizontal_categories a:link, .horizontal_categories a:visited { } .horizontal_categories a:hover { } Code: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>Untitled Document</title> </head> <body> <div style="background-color: red;"><input type="radio" id="radio"></div> </body> </html> Viewing this simple test page in a broswer shows that IE and Mozilla both vertically align the radio button differently within its "box" as well as giving it a different number of pixels of padding and/or margin on all 4 sides. Are there any tricks to getting consistency? I was playing around with the CSS on my blog to try and get the header alligned correctly. In Firefox I added both a bottom and top margin to the #logo to make it align correctly. the bottom margin figure was -45px;. When checking the site in Chrome there was still a large gap under the logo. So after a little trial and error it seemed that Chrome wanted -125px as the bottom margin figure to achieve my desired results. So I've left it at -125px but then back on Firefox the navmenu is now aligned wrong. Any ideas? **EDIT** I can't link to my site so you can see it as I'm a new user. Hello all, I'm trying to make a webpage that has about 200px padding on the left and right side and 0 padding at the top and bottom, i would like my content to be viewed in that small area. I'm wanting the background color where my content will be to be grey but i want the padded sides to stay white. Is this possible? Like this http://www.cssbasics.com/, you see how the sides are grey and the content area is in a different color, how can i do this? Thank you! Why do margin and padding widths act differently when applied to a floated item in Internet Explorer? I've been having a hard time with browser compatibility and I need a bit of help. This is what I'm trying to acheive. It's a link bar on top and then a page that contains left and right headers, dividers and content plus a footer (height is not an issue right now). I would like the #page to have a 2px border and every element inside to have a white 2px padding. It seems that in IE, if I set #page with a 2px padding, I get exactly what I want but Firefox does not interpret it the same way. Is there a hack/workaround for this. I've attacned a picture of what I'm trying to get at. Thanks Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" /> <style type="text/css"><!-- html, body { margin:0; padding:0; height:100%; } div { margin:0; padding:0; } div#holder { margin:auto; margin:auto; width:800px; height:100%; background:black; } div#links { width:auto; height:30px; background:pink; } div#page { width:auto; height:100%; background:white; border:2px black solid; padding:2px; } div#left { float:left; background:red; width:180px; } div#right { float:right; background:blue; width:610px; } div#footer { clear:both; width:auto; height:30px; background:green; } --/></style> </head> <body> <div id="holder"> <div id="links">1</div> <div id="page"> <div id="header"> <div id="left">1</div> <div id="right">1</div> </div> <div id="divider"> <div id="left">1</div> <div id="right">1</div> </div> <div id="content"> <div id="left">1</div> <div id="right">1</div> </div> <div id="footer">1</div> </div> </div> </body> </html> I give up. *falls over* So.. I'm dabbling in CSS. I have a general idea of how it's used and all that good stuff... I'm just having some massive issues with some of the coding. Issues that I should not be having. I'm attempting to change the color of links, visited, active, hover and otherwise. But here's where it gets strange. I get the links to change color. But... they won't all change. My code was initially more complex, but with this problem I've hacked it down to this incase there was some non working bit of text somewhere that was making something not parse properly... Code: A:link { color:#2A2C8B; } A:visited { color:#1D1D2D; } A:active { color:white; } A:hover { color:#7A7CBB; } In this example, visited, active and hover work beautifully. Link, on the other hand, is the same old boring color as usual. So in a fit of desperation, i alter my coding as follows: Code: A:visited { color:#1D1D2D; } A:link { color:#2A2C8B; } A:active { color:white; } A:hover { color:#7A7CBB; } now the visited link does not work, and the bottom three do. Why? why? *cry* here's the entierity of my style sheet, if anybody wants it. Code: <style type="text/css"> A:link { color:#2A2C8B; } A:active { color:white; } A:visited { color:#1D1D2D; } A:hover { color:#7A7CBB; } body { Font-variant: Arial; color: #111128; font-size: small; background: #6C5165; background-image: url(swirlstar2.jpg); background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: fixed; margin-left: 10%; margin-right: 10%; h1 { margin-left: -8%; } h2,h3,h4,h5,h6 { margin-left: -4%; } } </style> I am aware that there may well be an error or five in the body section... but I honestly havn't done alot of work there yet. my main concern is getting the links to work properly. And yes, I've tried snipping out the body tags and like leaving the link stuff there and it doesn't work. I've checked this in both Firefox and IE. My editor is notepad. Help? It's really appreciated... thank you. Hey all, the test page is here. Notice when you expand the "view more details" in IE8 to the point where it is supposed to push the page down, it doesn't! But it does in FF/Safari. HTML CSS Potentially relevant CSS: Code: body { margin: 0; padding: 0; min-height:0; } div.container { width:100px; } div.outerBody { width:100%; min-height:0; } div.innerBody { width:100%; background-image:url("../../images/artist_center/body_bg.jpg"); background-repeat:repeat-x; min-height:0px; height:auto !important; background-color:#cedce5; text-align:center; margin: 0; position:absolute; } div.tabContent { width:945px; min-height:596px; border:solid 1px #cccccc; float:left; position:relative; margin-left:14px; padding-bottom:14px; margin-bottom:14px; } I'm using clearfix to make things work in IE7, but clearly there's some kind of other problem going on. Thanks for any help! The state titles are nice and bold on my mac browsers -- however, pc browsers won't make them bold. Here is a link to a windows xp screenshot: http://www.browsercam.com/projects/199027/3899787.jpg Any ideas? styles.css Code: .allRoundedCorners { border-radius-topleft: 18px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 18px; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 18px; border-radius-topright: 18px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 18px; -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 18px; border-radius-bottomleft: 18px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 18px; -webkit-border-bottom-left-radius: 18px; border-radius-bottomright: 18px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 18px; -webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 18px; } index.php Code: <div class="allRoundedCorners"> my text </div> This works ok in Firefox, Google Chrome and Safari. But fails to work in IE 9, Avant Browser 2012 build 8 and Opera 11.60 Can anyone suggest a possible fix or know how I can code it so the rounded edges of the DIV's have the rounded edge and not a boxed area. I'm trying to set the background image of my header and for some reason its not being applied at all. CSS: Code: #header { background: url('../Images/Master/Header_Background.jpg'); color: White; width: 1000px; height: 150px; position: relative; } The image is the same height and width of the header. I know the image is there because I can use the same url in an <img> tag and it shows up fine. The header is inside a container which I'm not setting any background attributes at all. I'm not setting any for the body either. I don't know why the image isn't showing. Thanks. I uploaded the page I am working on to http://sulley.dm.ucf.edu/~ebuccianti/wtf/. I want that text at the top of the page to begin a certain number of pixels down from the top of the div, so I tried to set padding-top to that number of pixels, but for some reason Firefox is extending the bottom of the div by that number of pixels as well. I have done this before and I have never had this problem. What the hell am I doing wrong this time?? Download the page he http://sulley.dm.ucf.edu/~ebuccianti/wtf/index.php Download the stylesheet he http://sulley.dm.ucf.edu/~ebuccianti/wtf/style.css Please help! Hello. I have created a form for Member Login and added padding for the username and password input text (so it displays centred vertically and a offset from the left edge). If looking at it with Firefox it works and looks perfect, I open it inside IE 8 and the padding is removed. What am I missing? This line is governing my inputs: Code: .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin input{ http://www.nessphysiotherapy.com/testing/testing.php Form Elements: Code: <div id="popupbox"> <!--Start login box--> <form name="login" action="" method="post" id="formlogin"> <div class="mainloginrow"> <input name="username" class="fielduser" size="14" maxlength="25"/> <img src="../images/login_register.png" border="0" usemap="#register"/> <map name="register" id="register"> <area shape="rect" coords="27,10,95,29" href="" /> </map> </div> <div class="mainloginrow"> <input name="password" type="password" class="fieldpass" size="14" maxlength="30" /> <img src="../images/login_forgot.png" border="0" usemap="#forgotpass" /> <map name="forgotpass" id="forgotpass"> <area shape="rect" coords="33,7,87,23" href="" /> </map> </div> <input name="submit" type="submit" class="submitlogin" value="" /> <input name="Button" type="button" class="closelogin" value="" onClick="loginclose(this.form)" /> <map name="forgot_pass" id="forgot_pass"> <area shape="rect" coords="41,36,113,76" href="" /> </map> </form> <br /> <!--<center><a href="javascript:login('hide');" class="alogin">close</a></center>--> <!-- Closes the box--> </div> <!--End login box--> CSS: Code: <style type="text/css"> /* Personal add-ons */ #loginmain { margin: 0 auto 0 0; width: 412px; } #popupbox{ margin: 0; margin-left: 10%; /* This gets it relatively center on the screen */ margin-right: 30%; /* This gets it relatively center on the screen */ margin-top: 50px; /* Makes it a little off the top of the screen */ /*padding-top: 10px; /* Make the text not touching the top on the login box */ padding:0px; width:420px; /*width: 20%; /* For centering it on the screen */ height: 280px; /* The height of the login box */ position: absolute; /* Makes sure its absolute so it doesn't dock with everything else */ /*background: #FBFBF0; /* Login Box background color. Change this if desired. */ background-image:url(../images/loginimage.png); background-repeat:no-repeat; /*border: solid #000000 2px; /* Makes a black border around the login box */ z-index: 9; /* Makes it on top of everything else */ font-family: arial; /* Sets the font */ visibility: hidden; /* Makes it hidden at first. Very Important.*/ } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin { position:relative; padding:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-top:132px; margin-left:71px; height:148px; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin input{ position:inherit; width:210px; height:30px; background-image:url(../images/login_field_username.png); background-repeat:no-repeat; border:none; magin:0px; padding-bottom:0px; padding-left:10px; padding-right:0px; padding-top:0px; font-size:12px; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin .fielduser { margin-bottom:23px; margin-right:0px; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin .fieldpass { margin-bottom:13px; margin-right:0px; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin .submitlogin { position:relative; background-image:url(../images/login_now_stand.png); background-repeat:no-repeat; width:125px; height:45px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-left:13px; margin-right:5px; margin-bottom:0px; border:none; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin .closelogin { position:relative; background-image:url(../images/login_now_close.png); background-repeat:no-repeat; width:125px; height:45px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; border:none; } #popupbox .alogin { position:relative; width:100%; height:15px; padding:0px; margin-top:11.5px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; margin-bottom:0px; } .twoColFixRtHdr #container #menuwrapper #p7menubar #popupbox #formlogin img { position:absolute; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; height: 30px; width: 116px; } </style> I've been searching this for about 4 hours today, and have yet to come across a good answer. Right now my site looks fine in Firefox, IE6, IE7, and Opera. However, it does not validate because I'm using the _margin-top and .margin-top tricks to force the bottom line of links in IE. My site can be viewed at startdesigning.net (not allowed to post link because I new, I guess) and the css in question can be found at startdesigning.net/style.css - again, can't post a link. If anyone has any suggestions to validate without changing the appearance, I would love to hear them. Thanks, Andrea Is there any way to use multi level drop down menus that work on all browswers(IE 6 and 7, firefox, safari) without using .htc file or javascript included? This is nice, but the css in too messy. http://www.bluescopesteel.com If you have any betterones please tell me. Cheers Probably a simple question and I'm hoping there is a link that someone can post where I can learn about the difference of using #/. in CSS. Eg., some CSS don't use anything, some use a # and some use a full-stop before the element: Code: body { code here; } #leftcolumn { code here; } .someelement { code here; } I am fairly new to css and am working on a login box that has a bar at the top. I'm doing one div to hold the title and another div below it which holds a table with login/password and buttons etc. I want to be able to use this in my css so that I can apply a titlebar with a simple css command. Anyway...that's getting away from the original question. Thanks for any help. Hello, Is there a way to have padding (say 15px) all around a cell, but allow for expections, like having one div element float:left and align far left against cell border while everything else is inset 15px. ie. Code: <style> #menubox { float:left; margin-left:15px; margin-bottom:7px; } .main_cell { padding:15px; } </style> <body> <table width=600 border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td valign=top class="main_cell"><div id="menubox">table with menu items taht is achored far left against cell wall</div> Some text that wraps around "menubox" but needs to be padded around cell walls.</td> </tr> </table> </body> Thanks, Rey Thanks for taking the time to read my question. I'm trying to center my nav bar. IE looks pretty close but FF is too far to the right. I cannot figure out why. Any ideas? Index2 Thanks for your help. oh ya, if you look at the page in IE, there is Red background behind the nav bar and in the main section, but in FF the Red is just in the main section. Not sure why. The red is there just for dev purposes, it's not staying. I know... it's ugly. Brad Hi guys, I've been working on my CSS for a short while now. I'm attempting to get a "layout" for my site that I can work with, and I thought that a table-less layout was the way to go. I had a few problems initially with CSS and posted some code on here, and was lucky enough to get the help of an expert. He pointed out that I needed Doctypes, character sets and so on and helped me get started. I spent a "bit" of time at work doing a bit more to the page and was really pleased with the result - see attachment. I know it is currently quite crude (and the colours are appauling!) but it's practice. I then took my work home and opened it on my computer, and it has fallen apart AGAIN. I cannot believe that it can look so different in the SAME browser on different computers. At home I am using IE 6.0.2900... on WinXP SP2 At work I am using IE 5.50 on Windows 2000 SP4 I am getting so frustrated that everything in CSS seems to involve having little "extra bits" here and there to make work in each browser (or the same browser, different versions!), when the whole idea was to reduce coding and make life easier. I know that I have not posted any code, which could make helping me out difficult....but just by looking at the images below, does it look like I need a simple "hack" (whatever they are!) - ChiefWigs spoke about using an <! IF IE... comment to help out. Or should I look at just reducing everything by a pixel or two to make it fit...and just accept that gaps will be slightly larger on other browsers? It might be worth noting that I am using absolute dimensions (px) for the panels and menu holders...but relative widths (em) for things like the hyperlink boxes... I'm getting really depressed about the whole CSS thing, its already putting me off continuing to learn . If anyone could offer me help I would be very grateful. Regards, Porky |