CSS - Problem With Margins

Everyone knows about collapsing margins, but not everyone knows that inline blocks never collapse.

So it would appear that IE treats tables as block elements (so margins collapse) and firefox treats them as god-knows-what (but akin to inline elements - so they do not collapse).

Now, whether its right or wrong, I want the firefox behaviour - so I tried to display the tables as inline. This fixes IE.... but breaks firefox - the tables "loose" their width parameter so they don't display with correct widths.

Does any CSS guru know a nice solution to this dilema (I know a couple of dirty solutions).

To elaborate further on what is going in: There are a number of tables one after the other in the normal flow of the document that need to be seperated by certain margins.

Hi All,

This seems to be a bit of a recurring problem for me in a lot of the new CSS designs I'm trying... but it seems that IE interprets both padding and margins differently than how firefox interprets them. Sometimes it seems to do it the same, and other times differently.

Take a look at this:
http://zeroonedesign.com/beta/newsite/index.html

CSS he
http://zeroonedesign.com/beta/newsite/style.css

Now look at it first in Firefox (the desired effect) and then in IE. IE seems to be incapable of understanding this particular piece of the code

Code:

#menu {padding-top:140px;text-align:left;padding-left:38px;}
#menu ul{margin:0px;}

#menu ul li{display:inline;margin-right:10px;padding:5px 7px 5px 7px;color:#fff;}

#menu ul li a{color:#fff;font-size:10pt;text-decoration:none;}

#menu ul li a:hover{color:#fff;font-size:10pt;border-bottom:3px solid #fff;}

#menu ul li a.selected{color:#f88000;font-size:10pt;border-bottom:2px solid #f88000;}

Ideas? Help? I know the box model is different for IE than it is for FF but I've tried the box model hack and it doesn't seem to do anything.

according to the css 2.1 spec if you specify the margin/padding of an element in ems then it takes the measurement from that element's font size, this means that

*
{
font size: 1em;
}

h1
{
font-size: 1.5em;
margin-bottom: 1em;
}

gives h1 a margin of ... 1.5em ... which sucks. and is counter intuitive IMO. how is one supposed to go about having fixed margin spaces when using scalable fonts? now i know that margins overlap so theoretically setting

p
{
margin-top: 1em;
}

instead would work, but only where a p lies under a h1. if i had a h1 then a h2 then a p then how large would the gap be between the h1 and the h2? and how would i control that reliably?

the only way around this i can think of is this

*
{
font-size: 1em; /*let's say this equates to 10px on the device it's being viewed on*/
}

h1
{
font-size: 1.5em; /*...then this would be 15px*/
margin-bottom 0.67em; /*..this would be 67% of 15px = 10px!*/
}

h2
{
font-size: 1.2em; /*12px*/
margin-bottom: 0.83em; /*83% of 12px = ... 10px!*/
}

p
{
margin-botton: 1em;
}

Now, when i scale the font size all the margins should scale in accordance with the <p>. at least, according to my understanding of the spec. i'll try it in the next couple of hours (first thing monday morning just got to work)... anyone else thought of a scalable friendly alternative?

Hi All,

I am very new to CSS and i am working on preparing a document of an existing CSS. Can someone tell me if the margins are set as this,

margin:0px 31px 0px;

Is it top,right and bottom?

Thanks

Prena

Hey, I am currently learning how to do layouts in pure CSS and am running into a few problems. Some of these i've cleared up, but i'm still learning obviously. My currently issue is that margin / top settings are not consistent throughout browsers.

Example: in FF/Mozilla a margin setting or "top" pixel setting is "lower" than in IE.

The reason for this is, apparantly, when margins are set to zero my lower div table actually rides up "under" the above div's bottom border, this creates an offset of 5 pixels when setting margins, etc. Whereas, in IE, the div sits directly beneath the 5px border, as I would assume it should.

Here are the files i'm using:

1) Webpage: http://www.binjured.com/index2.php
2) CSS File: http://www.binjured.com/style2.css

important css (as i see it) a #nav, .top, .main (these are all near the bottom of the file, if you wish to skip extraneous code). I am trying to understand WHY css does the things it does and how I can make it do the right thing. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Finally, there may be some extraneous code that those who know css, know does nothing. It's in there because I am trying to "debug" it but i'm completely lost for the answer now .

ok im having a no brainer and i cant figure out what i did wrong, can someone take a look at this and tell me how to remove the space below. im posting a link, it has the css text posted on the page with the menu im working on that im having difficulty with.

thanks in advance,

Trizen

www dot cooperativecreditsystems slash Untitled-2 dot html

apparently being a new user i cant post links but just add the dots as dots and you should be able to find it.

I thought I had this worked out before with the help of this forum, but it seems to be back again!

In IE 6 (and maybe others, who knows. I am running Ubuntu =/ ) there is a big gap between the top horizontal nav and the comic.

http://www.jjsunshines.com/

Any help would be greatly appreciated! I'll even trade you php help!

'Ello,

I have a slight problem with some CSS I am using, it works perfectly fine in other browsers but in IE 6 it doesn't. What I basically want is the body of the page to have a 10pixel margin on the left and right of the page and 0 at the top and bottom, this bit I can do. I also want everything on the page to stretch from the end of each margin (so they basically start 10 pixels in from the left and 10 pixels in from the right), which I have got working fine. Now what I am trying to do is have one div layer stretching from the very left to the very right of the page and I am getting a bit stuck on it.

What I have managed to do is set that div layer to be absolute positioning so I can use "left: 0px;" to get it all the way up against the left hand edge, but how can I get it right up against the left hand edge? I am sure if I set it to be the width of the page so for example if the page is 500 pixels wide and I use "width: 500px;" it would go from end to end, but what I want is it to go from end to end no matter what the width of the window is. For the rest of the layers that are not going from end to end but are staying within the body margins I used "width: 100%;" which works fine, but when I try it with the one that I want to go from end to end it only goes up to the body margin, but right to the end, well in IE it does anyway other browsers are fine with it. Does anyone know how to get around this? I have tried looking on the net but I can't find anything on it. All help will be greatly welcome.

Thank you in advance, El Barto.

I am having a heck of a time with this side sub-menu. I cannot seem to get the left margins to be equal in IE 6, 7 or 8?

My html:


Code:

<!-- show_menu2 -->
 <ul id="sub_menu" class="menu" style="margin-left:-5px;position: relative; background-color:#CFF">

    <li><a href="#" class="menu-expand menu-first navlev2" title="Project">Add-ons Project</a></li>
    <li><a href="#" class="menu-expand menu-parent navlev2" title="What Modules">Modules</a>
     <ul class="ullev3">
        <li><a href="#" class="menu-sibling menu-first navlev3" title="Modules Here">Module</a></li>
        <li><a href="#" class="menu-sibling navlev3" title="Admin Tools">Admin Tools</a></li>

        <li><a href="#" class="menu-current navlev3" title="Random">Code Snippets</a></li>
        <li><a href="#" class="menu-sibling menu-last navlev3" title="Droplet of Link">Droplets</a></li>
     </ul>
    </li>
    <li><a href="#" class=" navlev2" title="AMASP">AMASP</a>    </li>
    <li><a href="#" class=" navlev2" title="Templates">Templates</a> </li>

    <li><a href="#" class="menu-last navlev2" title="Backend Pages">Backend Themes</a></li>
 </ul>

  
          </div>
                          <!-- end of subnavigation --> 

My CSS:
Code:

#submenu
{
	padding: 0;
	/* [disabled]width: 247px; */
	/* [disabled]position: relative;
*/
	/* [disabled]left: -15px; */
}
#submenu a
{
	text-decoration :none;
	color :#5b9acf;
	padding-left :12px;
	display :block;
	background-image: url(../images/bullets_micro/square3.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	background-position: 2px 50%;
}
#submenu a:hover
{
	color :#003366;
	background-image: url(../images/bullets_micro/square1.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	/* [disabled]background-position: 4px 50%;
*/
}
#submenu a:active
{
	border: none;
}
#submenu a.menu-current
{
	font-weight :bold;
	color :#003366;
	background-image: url(../images/bullets_micro/asst3.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	background-position: 4px 50%;
}
#submenu ul
{
	margin-top: 0;
	margin-right: 0;
	margin-bottom: 0px;
	/* [disabled]margin-left: -25px;
*/
	/* [disabled]position: relative;
*/
	/* [disabled]left: -10px;
*/
}
#submenu ul li
{
	padding :5px 0;
	/* [disabled]line-height :1.4em; */
	font-size :12px;
	list-style-type :none;
	border-bottom :#cccccc 1px solid;
}
#submenu ul li.a
{
	padding: 0px 10px;
}
#submenu ul li li
{
	border-bottom :none;
	padding-bottom :0px;
	font-size :11px;
}
#submenu ul li li a:link,
#submenu ul li li a:visited
{
	color :#003366;
	background-image: url(../images/bullets_micro/diamond4.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	background-position: 2px 50%;
}
#submenu ul li li a:hover
{
	background-image: url(../images/bullets_micro/diamond.gif);
	background-repeat: no-repeat;
	/* [disabled]background-position: 4px 50%;
*/
	color: #6DB9FA;
}
/* ====================== */

My test page: (pardon the blue background I just added this to see the container.)
http://new.ssmarts.org/page.html


Thanks so much.

Hello, I have been having some problems with ie and auto margins, In firefox my page shows perfectly, but in ie, the page hangs to the left only showing the default margin that ie gives you. I want the page to center in the middle. The link to the page is spanglerdesign.com/test/Mulligan1

i have a left margin of 5px on the navigation links that pushes them away from the edge. however. However, for Corporate Leadership and board of directors, the second line does not indent. How can I fix this?

http://zettalogica . com/fulcrum/index.html

Also, if anyone has an opinion, do you think it would be better to keep the text for that line the same size as the other links, or would you make the text smaller so that the bar itself is the same height as all the others in the navigation.

Thank you

I am having a problem with negative margins in IE7. On my website:
commentsandcapers I am trying to get IE7 to display the right two boxes in the same way that Firefox displays them??

I have tried a few thing including position: relative in a whole bunch of places, none of which works. Do any of you have any idea how to correct this problem?

Thanks!

I have a couple of problems.

1) I have an unwanted margin around my page. I have tried and searched everything I could to get rid of it and I cannot. Ca someone please explain why it is doing this?

2) No matter how hard I try, the Navigation list will not move to where I would like it to go (Centered in the grey area). What am I doing wrong? Code below

html
Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" />
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="./CSS/style1.css" />
<title>Cakefaced - Miles out of the box</title>
</head>
<body>
<div id="Banner" />
<div id="Logo" />
<div id="NaviRear" />

<ul class="NaviLink">
<li class="NaviLink"><a class="NaviLink" href="index.html">Home</a></li>
<li class="NaviLink"><a class="NaviLink" href="index.html">Projects</a></li>
<li class="NaviLink"><a class="NaviLink" href="index.html">Geuestbook</a></li>
<li class="NaviLink"><a class="NaviLink" href="index.html">Profile</a></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div id="Blog" />
<div id="Links" />
</body>
</html>

CSS:
Code:

@charset "utf-8";
/* CSS Document */

/*CSS Sheet Copyright(C) 2011 to Cakefaced.co.uk All Rights Reserved
This style sheet cannot be used without permission from Cakefaced.co.uk Administrator */

/*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Begin Banner Styling
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*/
#Banner {
background-image:url('../Images/BannerRear.jpg');
background-repeat:repeat-x;
height:200px;
margin:0;
position:relative;

		}
/*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
End Banner Styling
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*/

/*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Begin Navigation Styling
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*/
#NaviRear {
background-image:url('../Images/NaviBack.jpg');
background-repeat:repeat-x;
top:150px;
height:60px;
margin:0;
position:relative;

	}



ul.NaviLink {
list-style-type:none;
margin:0;

		}
li.NaviLink {
display:inline;
bottom: 10px;
position:float;
		}

a:link.NaviLink {
font-size:1.875em;
color:#000000; /* unvisited link */
font-family:"Arial Black", Gadget, sans-serif;		
		}    
a:visited.NaviLink {
color:#000000; /* visited link */
		} 
a:hover.NaviLink {
color:#FF00FF; /* mouse over link */
		}   
  
/*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
End Navigation Styling
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*/

Anyone know why the margins change on the links when I hover over them with IE. (check left column navigation)

http://section31.us/temp/tortilla/tortilla.html

Note: This works fine on firefox, but goes ape**** on IE.