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Hi all,

After using silktide.com to test my site's score, the report suggested that I remake the site using CSS to make it tableless.

The site i am remaking is www.verdicts.co.uk

So far ive remade the interface which you can see he www.verdicts.co.uk/verdicts_css

Problem is, i have absolutely NO clue how i would go about making much more complex table replication using CSS. For example, the "popular review catagories" as seen on the www.verdicts.co.uk homepage.

...Or the product listing pages like this one: http://www.verdicts.co.uk/items/663/items.html

or how about the reviews tables as seen he http://www.verdicts.co.uk/reviews/1140/1140.html

What i am asking, is: Should i try and find a way to recreate these tables with CSS, or is the only way to do this, with *some* use of tables? Silktide.com's checker says make the site "tableless" - so i am guessing it's saying not to use a single table?!

Thanks

Mat.

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hi guys
I've begun trying so I finally can leave <tables>

I've started trying with a little opensource template, and now want to be how much correct I am...

The following image shows the original design, also with the layers division I've created

I'd like to know if I'm going ok with this initial design, or which would you modify, and so on.

Then I'll follow up the thread with the code, so I can see if I learned correctly

Thanks a lot in advance,

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and here is the code that I have so far...

PLEASE... some CSS GURU answer this puzzle...

Thanks..

[code]
/* CSS Document */

body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
font: normal 0.7em/1.4em Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Georgia, sans-serif;
color: #7c7c7c;
text-align: center;
background-color: transparent;
background-image: url(images/background.jpg);
background-position: center top;
}

#container-main {
margin: 0px auto;
padding: 0;
width: 648px;
border: none;
text-align: left;
background-position: bottom;
}

#container-top {
margin: 0px auto;
padding: 0;
width: 648px;
border: none;
text-align: left;
background-position: bottom;
}
#left {
width: 20px;
background-image: url(images/l-shadow.jpg);
float: left;
height: 543px;
}
#main {
border: none;
background-image: url(images/header.jpg);
float: left;
width: 598px;
height: 67px;
}
#right {
width: 30px;
background-image: url(images/r-shadow.jpg);
height: 543px;
float: right;
}
/*
#container {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:0px;
width:100%;
height:100%;
background-image:url(images/background.jpg);
}
*/
#e-mail-templ-final2-01_ {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:0px;
width:81px;
height:600px;
}

#top_ {
position:relative;
top:0px;
width:648px;
height:57px;
background-image: url(images/top.jpg);
}

#background_ {
position:absolute;
left:729px;
top:0px;
width:243px;
height:600px;
}

#e-mail-templ-final2-04_ {
position:absolute;
left:81px;
top:57px;
width:20px;
height:90px;
}

#header_ {
position:relative;
top:57px;
width:598px;
height:67px;
background-image: url(images/header.jpg);
}

#e-mail-templ-final2-06_ {
position:absolute;
left:699px;
top:57px;
width:30px;
height:90px;
}

#red-bar_ {
float: left;
width: 598px;
height: 17px;
background-color: #990000;
border-top-width: medium;
border-right-width: 0px;
border-bottom-width: medium;
border-left-width: 0px;
border-top-style: solid;
border-right-style: solid;
border-bottom-style: solid;
border-left-style: solid;
border-top-color: #FFFFFF;
border-right-color: #FFFFFF;
border-bottom-color: #FFFFFF;
border-left-color: #FFFFFF;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
color: #FFFFFF;
text-align: center;
}

#l-shadow_ {
position:absolute;
left:81px;
top:57px;
width:20px;
height:542px;
background-image: url(images/l-shadow.jpg);
}

#title-content_ {
left:139px;
top:143px;
width:452px;
height:33px;
background-image: url(images/title-content.jpg);
float: left;
}

#ncaa_ {
height:67px;
background-image: url(images/ncaa.jpg);
float: right;
width: 146px;
}

#r-shadow_ {
position:absolute;
left:699px;
top:56px;
width:30px;
height:544px;
background-image: url(images/r-shadow.jpg);
}

#e-mail-templ-final2-12_ {
position:absolute;
left:81px;
top:154px;
width:20px;
height:446px;
}

#e-mail-templ-final2-13_ {
position:absolute;
left:699px;
top:156px;
width:30px;
height:444px;
}

#content_ {
left:101px;
top:180px;
width:452px;
height:349px;
background-color: #FFFFFF;
float: left;
}

#e-mail-templ-final2-15_ {
position:absolute;
left:553px;
top:214px;
width:146px;
height:1px;
}

#big-pix-golf_ {
left:553px;
top:215px;
width:146px;
height:265px;
background-image: url(images/big-pix-golf.jpg);
float: right;
}

#facilities_ {
left:553px;
top:480px;
width:146px;
height:16px;
float: right;
background-image: url(images/facilities.jpg);
}

#facilities-pix_ {
left:553px;
top:496px;
width:146px;
height:51px;
float: right;
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#e-mail-templ-final2-19_ {
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top:529px;
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height:18px;
}

#bottom-shadow_ {
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top:547px;
width:19px;
height:53px;
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#lu-seal-bottom_ {
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top:365px;
width:137px;
height:53px;
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height:53px;
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#e-mail-templ-final2-27_ {
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left:686px;
top:547px;
width:13px;
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   <HEAD>


      <TITLE>Test CSS Form</TITLE>


      <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">


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 #FormInterest label,#FormInterest input {


     display: block;


     width: 150px;


     float: left;


     margin-bottom: 10px;


 }




 #FormInterest label {


     text-align: left;


     width: 200px;


     padding-right: 20px;


 }


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 }




 #FormInterest  form {


       border : 1px solid #000;


       padding : 5px;


     background-color : #ffc;  


 }


 #help{


     width: 150px;


     float: right;


       border : 1px solid #000;


       padding : 5px;


     background-color : white;      


 }


 -->


 </STYLE>


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   <BODY>


      <P CLASS="smltxt"> > <B>Register your interest</B></P>


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         <FORM METHOD="POST" ACTION="/cgi-bin/genform.pl">


           <INPUT TYPE="HIDDEN" NAME="form_owner" VALUE="test@test.co.uk">


           <INPUT TYPE="hidden" NAME="form_subject" VALUE="Interest Form">


           <BR>


           <LABEL FOR="name">Name</LABEL>


           <INPUT NAME="name" ID="name"><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="company">Organisation</LABEL>


           <INPUT NAME="company" ID="company"><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="email">E-mail / Telephone</LABEL>


           <INPUT NAME="email" ID="email"><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="interest">Interest Area</LABEL>


           <SELECT NAME="interest" SIZE="1" ID="interest">


              <OPTION VALUE="Communications">Communications</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Healthcare">Healthcare</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Electronics">Electronics</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Instrumentation">Instrumentation</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Sensing">Sensing</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Process control">Process control</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Defence">Defence</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Security">Security</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Energy">Energy</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Transport">Transport</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Other">Other</OPTION>


           </SELECT><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="companyinterest">Organisation Interest Area</LABEL>


           <SELECT NAME="companyinterest" SIZE="1" ID="companyinterest">


              <OPTION VALUE="Communications">Communications</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Healthcare">Healthcare</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Electronics">Electronics</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Instrumentation">Instrumentation</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Sensing">Sensing</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Process control">Process control</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Defence">Defence</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Security">Security</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Energy">Energy</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Transport">Transport</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Other">Other</OPTION>


           </SELECT><BR>


           <H1>Objectives</H1> <LABEL FOR="outcome">What is the desired outcome? </LABEL> <TEXTAREA NAME="outcome" ROWS="6" COLS="42" ID="outcome"></TEXTAREA>


           <DIV ID="help">


              In the Objectives box please identify your new requirements and what you would like as the outcome of the work, that is, what might be physically produced or what might be achieved.


           </DIV><BR>


           <H1>Impact</H1> <LABEL FOR="important">Why is it important?</LABEL> <TEXTAREA NAME="important" ROWS="6" COLS="42" ID="important"></TEXTAREA><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="benefit">What is the benefit to UK and who would benefit from this work?</LABEL> <TEXTAREA NAME="benefit" ROWS="6" COLS="42" ID="benefit"></TEXTAREA><BR>


           <LABEL FOR="collaborations">Collaboration Options</LABEL>


           <SELECT NAME="collaborations" SIZE="1" ID="collaborations">


              <OPTION VALUE="Yes">Yes</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="No">No</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="Maybe">Maybe</OPTION>


              <OPTION VALUE="No Comment">No Comment</OPTION>


           </SELECT><BR>


           <INPUT TYPE="SUBMIT" VALUE="Submit Interest" NAME="Submit1" ID="Submit1">


           <INPUT TYPE="RESET" NAME="Reset1" VALUE="Clear Form" ID="Reset1"><BR>


         </FORM>


      </DIV> </BODY>


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