CSS - Border Needed On Two Spans Within A Container Span

In the interest of tableless design, I'm trying to organize columns and rows of data with divs and spans, but they aren't conforming to the static width I've set for them.

First let me ask, since tables were originally designed to organize data, is it still considered acceptable to use them in this way since the concept of tableless design has taken hold? Also, is it acceptable to use divs and spans to organize data since they were designed only for layout purposes?

If it is acceptable, what's going on here? I'm specifying a width for the spans, but they aren't taking that width, they are only as wide as the text, which doesn't wrap.


See, nothing here about width:
Code:

.alt0{ /* Alternating cells for search and management list */
	background-color: #eeeeee;
}

.alt1{ /* Alternating cells for search and management list */
	background-color: #dddddd;
}

.default { /* Default Text */
	color: #222222;
	text-decoration: none;
	font-color: #222222;
	font-family: Arial;
	font-size: 12px;
	font-style: normal;
	font-weight: normal;
}

Two rows:
Code:

<div class="alt0" style="width: 800px;">
	<div class="default" style="width:600px;">
		<a href="index.cgi">test post</a>
	</div>
	<div class="default" style="width:200px;">
		1 March 2006, 01:36 pm
	</div>
</div>


<div class="alt1" style="width: 800px;">
	<div class="default" style="width:600px;">
		<a href="index.cgi">aaaaatest post</a>
	</div>
	<div class="default" style="width:200px;">
		1 March 2006, 01:36 pm
	</div>
</div>

So i just wrapped up some initial styling for a personal website i'm working on, http://www.sociospatial.com/

Looks fine in firefox. Has some minor issues in chrome/webkit, which I'll iron out later. Haven't dared to load it up in IE yet. In Opera, though, I'm having a problem that I don't know where to start.

So without having to paste alot of code, I have a wrapper div and a footer div, just so that I can have the footer hug either the bottom of the viewport or the bottom of the page, whichever is lower. I also wanted some background elements to the page, but I wanted them to hug the bottom as well (load up the page in firefox and resize to viewport to see), so I ended up with something like this:

Code:

<div id="footer">
  <span id="left-bg"></span>
  <span id="right-bg"></span>
</div>

and the styling for these is something like (I can post the actual/more if need be)
Code:

div#footer {
  position: relative;
  height: 25px;
  width: 100%;
}

span#left-bg {
  position: absolute;
  left: 0;
  bottom: 0;
  width: 400px;
  height: 600px;
  background: transparent url(some-url.png) no-repeat 0 0;
  z-index: -1;
}

span#left-bg {
  position: absolute;
  right: 0;
  bottom: 0;
  width: 400px;
  height: 600px;
  background: transparent url(some-url.png) no-repeat -400px 0;
  z-index: -1;
}

in firefox/webkit at least, these function as i want, so I have 2 spans that spill up through the top of the containing footer div, but still hides behind normal content. If my wrapper content is minimal, it appropriately hugs the bottom of the viewport and i don't have any vertical scrollbar. If I have a lot of content in the wrapper, I have a vertical scrollbar, but the footer and the spillout background elements are all waiting for me at the bottom of the page.

in opera (9), the two spans hug the bottom of the (initial) viewport as I would hope, but I *do* have a vertical scrollbar (even when the content in the wrapper does not necessitate it), and scrolling down reveals that I have a *huge* amount of space that's just empty body background below the footer. This empty space seems vaguely correlated with the "height" values of the spans (the lower the height value, the smaller the empty black background space under the footer), and the vertical scrollbar goes away completely under one of these conditions:
a) i add "overflow:hidden" to the div#footer styling (but of course this stops the span elements from spilling through the top)
b) using the W3-dev opera tools, if I disable both spans
c) after I disable both spans, I enable only one or the other (if I just disable one after both have been enabled, the vertical scrollbar stays, so I have to disable both first).

i'm not quite sure what exactly is going on here, nor really what issue I'm trying to track down (I don't know what to enter for a google search, for example) - I'm kind of new at this. Anyone have any clues to contribute? I'll add more information if needed.

Hi There -

Have a simple container div containing two other divs, top and content.

My problem is that I can't get the colorboxtop to stick to the top of its container. There's a wayward space. Can't find any stray margins or padding hanging around. Perhaps fresh eyes can see what I cannot. Please let me know.

Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Code:

<body>

<div class="colorbox">

  <div class="colorboxtop">
    <h2>title goes here</h2>
  </div><!-- /colorboxtop -->

  <div class="boxcontent">
    <p>You should read this and <a href="#">Click Here</a>.</p>
    <a title="Go Here!" href="#">[button]</a>
  </div><!-- /boxcontent -->

</div><!-- /colorbox -->

</body>

No great complexity there...here's the CSS:

Code:

body {
	color:#666666;
	font-family:Lucida Grande,Verdana,sans;
	font-size:10px;
	font-size-adjust:none;
	font-style:normal;
	font-variant:normal;
	font-weight:normal;
	line-height:13px;
}

.colorbox {
	margin-bottom:9px;
	padding-bottom:15px;
	width:300px;
	border:thin solid #CCCCCC;
}

.colorbox h2 {
	color:#FFCC33;
}

.colorbox {
	color:#CC6633;
	padding:0px 20px 15px;
	margin-top:0;
	margin-bottom:10px;
}

.colorboxtop {
	background-color: #dddddd;
	height:50px;
	color:#666666;
	background-image: url(images/bg_Tiles/stripe-dk-blue-green.png);
	padding:auto 20px;
}

.colorbox a {
	color:#C5DBE9;
	font-weight:bold;
	text-decoration:none;
}

Hello there, first post, just need a quick fix. Hope you don't mind.

So I'm trying to make myself a new portfolio site, but there's this 'error' I can't seem to fix...

(Can't post a link in my first post, so just copy/paste "hellspike.thanez.org/newsite" in the addybar.)

Basically that 150*300 infobar is supposed to be right next to the image, but it always ends up above or below the container.

<!--AK47-->
<div id="imgcont0">
<div id="imgcont1"><img src="images/ak47/1.jpg"></div>
<div id="imgcont2"><img src="images/ak47/info.jpg"></div>
</div>
<!--/AK47-->

imgcont0 is a 825*300 container, in which imcont1 (render) and 2 (infobar) are supposed to be.

Stylesheet:

#imgcont0 {
width: 825px;
height: 300px;
margin-left: auto;
margin-right: auto;
}

#imgcont1 {
width: 650px;
}

#imgcont2 {
margin-left: 675px;
width: 150px;
}

As you see the code is simple, yet I can't seem to fix this problem. Ideas?

Hi.
See code below. Why does the outer SPAN in TABLE not grow with the image height. If the text is longer so it is forced below image then it looks as it should.
Please also read some comments in the code.

Code:

<html><body><center><br><br>
Why does image not force the outermost span to be at least as high as image?<br>
If the text are long enough and gets below the bottom border of image it look good though.<br><br>
NOTE: I need to put Image and text either within separate span or in same span as the examples below.<br>
In my real application I'm using an <a href=" ...> around the outer span in examples below.<br>

<br><br>
<table border=1 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=200px><tr><td>
	<span style="display:block; background-color:#ffa827; padding-top:10px; padding-left:10px; padding-right:10px;">
		<span style="display:block; float:left">
			<img src="landscape.jpg" height="40px" width="40px" alt="" border="0">
		</span>
		
		<span style="display: block; color: white;">
			Text here. 
		</span>
	</span>
</td></tr></table>

<br><br>
<table border=1 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width=200px><tr><td>
	<span style="display:block; background-color:#ffa827; padding-top:10px; padding-left:10px; padding-right:10px; color: white;">
			<img src="landscape.jpg" height="40px" width="40px" alt="" border="0" style="float:left">
			Text here.
	</span>
</td></tr></table>

</center></body></html>

Hi.

Have created some simple tabs using table cells.

Active tab should have bottom-border color equal to page background-color.
Non-active tabs should have bottom-border=black.

Works fine in IE, but does not work very well in Firefox.

If I remove the border-collapse:collapse on the table, then firefox also work... but I would like to be able to keep the 1px border between each table cell.

So is there a way to make this work in both IE and Firefox...
and hopefully most other browsers...

See code below:

Code:

 
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
	a.menu_top:link {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
	a.menu_top:visited {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
	a.menu_top:hover {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
	a.menu_top:active {color: #000000; text-decoration: none;}
	
	td.menu_top_passive { 
		background-color: #777;
		border-left: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-right: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-top: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-bottom: 1px #000000 solid;
		
		text-align: center;
		
		cursor:pointer;
		font-weight: bold;
		
		padding: 5px 20px 5px 20px; 
		 
		margin: 0;
		 
	}
		
	td.menu_top_active { 
		
		background-color: #bbb;
		border-left: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-right: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-top: 1px #000000 solid;
		border-bottom: 1px #bbb solid;
		
		text-align: center;
	
		cursor:pointer;
		font-weight: bold;
		padding: 5px 20px 5px 20px;
		
		margin: 0;
		
	}
	

</style>

<script language="JavaScript">


function change(id, url) {
	for (i=1; i<6; i++){
		eval("document.getElementById("+i+").className='menu_top_passive'");
	}	
	eval("document.getElementById("+id+").className='menu_top_active'");
}
</script>

</head>
<body style="margin:0; padding:0; background-color:#bbb;">
<br><br>
<center>
1. Load the page.<br>
2. Click Item 4.<br>
3. Click Item 2.<br><br>
Why is the bottom border of the menuelements (table cells) not getting correct in Firefox?<br>
None-active menuelements should have a border-bottom = black, active should have same bottom-border as page.<br>
Notice that I use border-collapse on the table in order to get the cell-border 1px thick between the menuitems.<br>
If I remove border-collapse, then there is no strange behaviour in Firefox.<br>
Any way to get this working in Firefox without breaking it in IE?

</center>
<br><br><br>
	<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" style="border-collapse:collapse;">
		<tr>
			<td id="1" nowrap class="menu_top_active" onClick="change('1');"><a  href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 1</a></td>
			<td id="2" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('2');"><a href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 2</a></td>	 
			<td id="3" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('3');"><a  href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 3</a></td>				
			<td id="4" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('4');"><a  href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 4</a></td>
			<td id="5" nowrap class="menu_top_passive" onClick="change('5');"><a  href="javascript:;" class="menu_top">Item 5</a></td>

		</tr>
	</table>
</body>
</html>

I'm a little puzzled by this weird display bug by IE7, this bug doesn't occur in IE6. It had to do with the DIV's CSS's border-style.

If you set it to double then you notice some random bugs with it. Some of the time, the border is displayed without a problem. Some of the time, it is displayed with some gaps in the line as if it is not being drawn upon. Some of the other time, it is not displayed at all.

I noticed if I switch from one tab to another then back, the border appeared as if nothing had happened. I also noticed that if I open the view source that overlapp the web browser then closed it, the border appeared as if nothing had happened.

How do you fix that problem?

Thanks...

I would like to set up a table with a different border than the cells inside it. Here's my code:

Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<style type="text/css">
	TABLE {border: 1px solid black; border-collapse: collapse; width: 200px}
	TD {border: 1px solid #ccc}
</style>


</head>

<body>
<table>
  <tr>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
  </tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

That's all hunky dory in (gasp!) IE, but good browsers...they only show the lighter gray color. How do I get the table border to be different?

Hi,

This used to be my solution:
Code:

<table border=1 bordercolorlight='#CCCCCC' Bordercolordark='#FFFFFF'>

But this only works well on IE - not Mozilla

Now I want to use CSS:
Code:

	.results {
	  	border: 1px solid #CCCCCC ;
	}

Code:

<table class='results'>

---------------

The problem is, with CSS, only the TABLE acquires the border property. The cells within it don't.

If I specify
Code:

<td class='results'>

for all the cells in the table, this also won't work, because the cell borders overlap each other and some border lines seem thicker than others (because of overlapping).

Is there any simple way I can specify the border property for the table - in ONE declaration? I want the table and td borders all to be a simple 1px width ...is that possible in one declaration?

Thanks a lot!

Hi,
Code:

<tr><td colspan="2" height="5"></td></tr>		
<tr><td width="30%" align="right">City</td><td>This is supposed to be some content</td></tr>

How do I imitate structure of the table above.

In the example below the text between <span> if too long ends up on new line below <label>
How do I make sure that it stay on right side?
Code:

<div><label>City</label><span>This is supposed to be some content when too long appears below span not below label</span></div>

Thank you.

hi,

i have a chunk of dynamic text coming in. it can have html links in it. so something like:

'blah blah blah <a href="site">link text</a> blah blah'

im trying to stylize the dynamic text with CSS. i can get the font size and everything to work but i can't get the link text to behave like i want it to.

here's what i have:

PHP Code:
//the css class
.articleDesc
{
    font-family: verdana, arial, geneva, sans serif;
    font-size: 12px;
    font-weight: none;
    text-decoration: none;
    color: #000000;
}

//trying to make all links red, doesn't work
a.articleDesc
{
    color: #FF0000;
}

//php
print '<span class="articleDesc">' . $dynText . '</span>'; 





the links just come out default, ie. blue and purple...

anyone know what's wrong here?

Hi,

I am currently trying to produce a website using CSS style sheets.

I have used 'span' to position and align blocks of text on the page. All looks well, but when I try and validate the page I get an error message that says the <p> and <ol> tags cannot be used within <span> tags.

Can anyone suggest anyway round this?

Many thanks x

Hi everyone. I would like to change the first letter of an h2 tag thats NOT in a span in the following chunk of code

Code:

<h2>
	<span class="subtleHeader">Saskatoon, Regina and Edmonton's</span><br>
	WEB DESIGN EXPERTS
</h2>

So in this example I want to change the W. yes I can change the dom, but I'm very very lazy and have this DOM structure in many places and was wondering if there was a css way to do it.

Thanks

Hello,

Well this is a very simple question ... how can Iset the width of a span from CSS?

Basically I tried setting the span with from CSS however the span size remained wrapped to the text inside rather then taking the width I desire.

I check some interent forums, and found out that if I set the float:left the width is taken, but my span is no longer is place!

is there a way to set the span width without having to set thr float:left option?

thanks and regards,
Sim085

Why is this?

Code:

<div style='margin:0 0px 5px 3px;text-align:center;background-color:#EEEEEE;padding:4px 0;border:2px solid #CCCCCC;'>
	<span style='color:#888888;font-weight:bold;font-size:10px;'>
		RECENT BLOGS
	</span>
</div>

different than this?

Code:

<div style='margin:0 0px 5px 3px;text-align:center;background-color:#EEEEEE;padding:4px 0;border:2px solid #CCCCCC;'>
	<span style='color:#888888;font-weight:bold;font-size:10px;'>RECENT BLOGS</span>
</div>

Why is IE7 adding its own padding when i don't add a nl between the span and the content within the span? It's the display:block issue that also happens with images. But I just can't understand why IE7 would add spacing there, the 2 above are almost identical.