CSS - Is There A Way To Detect If The Browser Have Disabled Css?
Is there a way to detect if the browser have disabled CSS? That way, I can redirect users to another page explaining that website won't function with his/her browser with disabled CSS.
Similar Tutorialshi im using a CSS drop down menu, when my browser is refreshed it becomes disabled/stopsworking. im using IE browser. i got the css drop down list script from the web. can someone help me please! Has anyone got a bit of javascript (?) which I can use to detect the users browser and select the appropriate css stylesheet? thanks Hi folks. I am in the process of creating a feature in our Web application to allow users to create and manage a set of simple HTML email templates. At the bottom of my editor screen I show a preview of the formatted email (with the text and HTML entered into a textarea field). My problem is that when I output the preview to the Web page, it inherits all the styles from the parent page (for example an <h1> header has colors and special spacing, etc.). Is there a way to temporarily disable then re-enable the CSS styles defined in the header of the page so I can draw the "preview" with default browser CSS styles which will reflect more what an eMail program would look like? I am not sure if this can be done. If it could, it would be awesome and save me from having to code a special preview page or iFrame for the email template. Ok, don't blame me if this looks like a bad idea as it's not my code. I just have to make it work. Our navigation is basically a div that has a background which is three times the height of that div (and the background file contains different versions of each button or so I am told). Our code is below. We want to have a div behind the menu that will obviously show up if images are disabled but I can't get it working. Presumably because the nav div uses a background file and is not actually filled. Code: PHP Code: <div id="mainmenuText">text links to go below...</div> <div id="mainmenu"> <ul id="mainmenulist"> <li id="menu_homepage"><a href="index.php" title="Homepage" name="Homepage">Homepage</a></li> <li id="menu_apartments"><a href="apartments.php" title="Apartments" name="Apartments">Apartments</a></li> <li id="menu_villas"><a href="villas.php" title="Villas" name="Villas">Villas</a></li> <li id="menu_prices"><a href="prices.php" title="Price Matrix" name="Price Matrix">Price Matrix</a></li> <li id="menu_contact"><a href="contact.php" title="Contact Us" name="Contact Us">Contact Us</a></li> </ul> </div> CSS: PHP Code: #mainmenu { z-index:1000; height: 20px; background: transparent url("../images/layout/navigation.jpg") no-repeat top left; margin-left: 0px; } #mainmenuText { z-index:10; width:100%; height:100%; position:relative; top:10px; display:block; margin-left: 0px; } I am using a CSS with my forms, including setting the color and text font for the <INPUT> buttons. However, if the button is disabled, the colors revert to system default. I've tried but can't seem to set the color if the button is disabled. Is it even possible? Thanks, This was bugging me for a while last week, devshed and google weren't helping much so I wrote my own. Basically if you're trying to get a Javascript enabled site to degrade then instead of writing a clumsy function to walk the DOM and "activate" your funky UI elements just document.write a CSS style block. Mind numbingly simple... and it works: Link: http://www.cyclomedia.co.uk/?40 Code: Code: <head> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="javascript_disabled.css"> <script type="text/javscript"> if( document.getElementById ) document.write('<' + 'link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="javascript_enabled.css">'); </script> </head> www.cyclomedia.co.uk - ASP, CSS and AJAX demos, examples and tutorials with free source code download Hey - So I have a page with a disabled multiple select box, which is automatically populated with the relevant selected value. In Firefox, you can still see the value that's been automatically selected even though it's disabled. But in IE, you can't. Is there a way to make IE show that? Thanks in advance. This is a small thing, but it's kind of annoying. I'm using CSS to make some buttons on my site purty. And they are purty. The problem comes in when I set a buttons state to "disabled". IE o' so nicely makes the button "grayed out". Mozilla browsers do squat. Observe he http://www.drcwbt.com/codetests/disabledbutton.htm I was hoping I might be able to skirt around this problem with the pseudo class ":disabled" but it appears that this is too new still and nobody supports it. Any ideas on how to "gray out" in Mozilla? Hi I have a page I am putting together and everything is fine until I take off js in ff. Then I get this small gap between the code thats would have gotten replaced by flash if js was enabled. Its right below the menu. If you could take a look at http://www.bostonredhat.com/menu.php with js enabled and with it disabled for me and let me know if you see any problems I am missing I would appreciate it. Thanks. When a Text Input is disabled, is there a way to control the visual characteristics such that it's not as subdued, or use different colors for the text / background? I've searched and searched with no luck. Does anyone know if it is possible to set a style that would set all my disabled textboxs to a grey bg color, back to white on enabling. I know I can perform it through javascript. I'm just trying to do as much with styles as possible here. If someone could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it. I only need it to work in IE6. Thanks Not sure if this is an HTML or CSS related question but here goes... googling gives me nothing. I have a form that I've built and on occasion one or two of the text fields may have text in side them but I've sent the text field to 'disabled' so that the user cannot change the information inside. The problem is is that some of my users are a little bit older and have a hard time seeing what is inside of the disabled text field because its already grayed out and the text inside is gray. Does anyone know if there is a way to change this or is it just a default with internet explorer? Thanks! Hi, if i test my website with javascript disabled i don't see any colors or styles(it automatically disables css too). i don't know if its normal or not?? i din't disable css rather i disabled javascript only. all suggestions and recommendations are most welcome. I've tried to insert a horizontal drop down CSS menu in my layout. However, the menu bar displays about 10 pixels lower in Firefox than it does in IE. <a href="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)">Link</a> I checked the margins, padding but can not seem to find a way to get the menu to display at the same position in both browsers. Any guidance is very appreciated. thanks. My first post.... ok... First I would like to say THANK YOU to anyone who has time to bestow some knowledge to me on what I am sure is a highly noob-esqe situation. I would also like to say that I have thoroughly search this and other forums for my issue, unfortunately I dont think I understand CSS or any web design enough to comprehend the solutions given. I think this may require someone with the knowledge I lack to come down to my level... if you can bend that low.. and walk me thru layman term-style. Again thanks in advance for anytime spent helping out. That being said I was recently trying to jazz up my website that is hosted by a certain music community. I do a decent amount of business thru this site so I wanted to step up the interface a little and get away from using the standard page setup they give you. They do offer the option to edit CSS to construct your own for a little more customization. I jumped in, and after a few days of struggling, I got it looking how I wanted it. I was excited until I realized it looked different on almost every computer i visited the site on. My Background is fine, but the links to paypal and other content is all over the place(e.g. song player, twitter link, buttons) I have tweaked and tweaked, but have not been able to remedy this apparently common problem due to my lack of knowledge and experience. My only hope is to post the coding here and have a Smart Guy/Girl guide me in the right direction. I hope Im not asking too much guys... here goes (I know I can post my url here, how can I redirect you guys to veiw my site??) /********* SoundClick CSS Template (based on custom version Mon, Sep 28 2009) ***********/ Quote: /* general */ body {background: url((MyBGJPEGforbackground)); margin:0px;} body,div,tr,td,select,textarea,input,option {font-family:Verdana; font-size:11px;} a, a:link, a:visited {color:white; text-decoration:none;} a:hover {color:#ff0000; text-decoration:underline;} .pageFooter {clear:both; color:gray; padding:1px 0px 50px 20px;} .infoBox {width:650px; margin:50px auto; background:white; color:black; border:silver solid 1px; padding:30px; font-size:14px;} /* hardly used, its for error messages to user */ .infoBox .quotes {margin:20px; border:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; font-style:italic; padding:10px; background:;} /* main containers */ .mainTable {background: url((MainTableBGPicWentHere)) ; color:#999999; width:750px; margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto; text-align:center;} .mainContent {background:url(/images/siteNav/transbgblocks/black/bg_0.png); color:#999999; width:725px; float:left; overflow:hidden; margin:0px 0px 20px 5px;} /* IE6 doesnt support our preferred overflow:visible */ /* left navigation */ .navigation {background:url(/images/siteNav/transbgblocks/black/bg_0.png); color:white; width:300px; float:left; overflow:hidden; margin:10px 0px 20px 0px;} .navigation a:link, .navigation a:visited {color:#999999;} .navigation a:hover {color:#ffffff;} .navigationDivider {height:6px; line-height:6px; border-bottom:#232323 dashed 1px; margin-bottom:6px;} /* general elements */ .headline {background:transparent; color:transparent; font-weight:bold; border-bottom:transparent dashed 0px; border-top:transparent solid 0px; padding:330px 1px 50px 50px;} .headlineBig {font-size:22px; font-weight:normal;} .headlineSuppl {float:right; margin:0px 0px 0px 100px; color:#666666; font-size:11px; font-weight:normal;} /* for text/links on the right side of main headline (e.g. song count on main page) */ .headlineSuppl a:link, .headlineSuppl a:visited {color:#666666; text-decoration:none;} .headlineSuppl a:hover {color:black; text-decoration:underline;} .pageturner {background:; color:#cccccc; border:#4b4b4b solid 1px; text-align:right; padding:10px; font-size:13px; font-weight:normal;} /* pages menu (previous, next..), e.g. on music page, message board */ .pageturner .nonactive {color:#666666;} .pageturner a:link, .pageturner a:visited {color:#cccccc; text-decoration:none;} .pageturner a:hover {color:#ff0000; text-decoration:underline;} .listedPicsBox {border:#4b4b4b solid 1px; width:114px; height:160px; overflow:hidden; padding:2px 1px 4px 1px; margin:0px 4px 10px 4px; float:left; font-size:11px; text-align:center;} .listedPics {width:110px; height:125px; background-position: center center; background-repeat: no-repeat; margin:2px 0px 4px 0px; overflow:hidden} .breaker {height:1px; line-height:1px; clear:both} /* general color and font assets */ .color_supplemental {color:#666666;} /* used e.g. for song pages comments count */ .alternateBG0 {background:none;} /* used as background colors for comments */ .alternateBG1 {background:none;} /* alternate color */ /* main page (the default entry page) */ .mainContent .contHeadline {clear:left; font-size:16px; color:#cccccc; padding:1px 0px 2px 20px;} /* interview questions */ .mainContent .contText {clear:left; padding-left:15px;} .mainContent .contInterview {clear:left; padding-left:30px;} .mainContent .newsBox {clear:both; background:transparent; color:white; border:transparent solid 0px; margin:6px 20px 0px 20px; padding:100px;} /* main page: video box (different from video page) */ .videoBox_mainPage {padding:5px; margin:0px 100px 20px 100px;} .videoBox_mainPage .video {padding:5px; margin-bottom:10px;} .videoBox_mainPage .title {font-size:15px; text-align:center; margin-bottom:3px;} .videoBox_mainPage .shareLinks {float:right; padding:2px; border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px;} .videoBox_mainPage .labels {color:#666666; width:100px; padding-right:20px; text-align:right; float:left;} .videoBox_mainPage .info {padding-left:120px;} .videoBox_mainPage a:link, .videoBox_mainPage a:visited {font-size:13px; font-weight:normal; text-decoration:none;} .videoBox_mainPage a:hover {text-decoration:underline;} /* main page: upcoming shows */ .liveshowsBox {background:#cccccc; color:#000000; width:300px; margin:15px 2px 15px 10px; float:right; clear:right;} .liveshowsItems {padding:4px 0px 0px 0px; font-size:11px; clear:both;} .liveshowsBox a:link, .liveshowsBox a:visited {color:#000000; text-decoration:none;} .liveshowsBox a:hover {color:#666666; text-decoration:underline; cursorointer;} /* main page: standard song box on artist page (only this song box or the embedded player is used. Never both together) */ .playerBox {float:left; clear:left; padding-left:20px; margin:300px 0px 100px 0px;} .playerBox .playerHead {background:#000000; color:#cccccc; border-top:#4b4b4b solid 1px; border-bottom:#4b4b4b solid 1px; text-align:right; font-size:13px; padding:3px 5px 3px 3px;} .playerBox .playerHead a:link,.playerBox .playerHead a:visited {color:#666666; text-decoration:underline;} .playerBox .playerHead a:hover {color:#ffffff; text-decoration:underline;} .playerBox .songBox {background:#cccccc; border-bottom:#4b4b4b solid 1px; width:330px; padding:100px 0px 0px 1px; overflow:auto;} .playerBox .songBox .singleSong {color:#000000; font-size:13px; padding:1px;} .playerBox .songBox .singleSong:hover {background:#000000; color:#cccccc; cursorointer;} /* main page: VIP embedded player (only this embedded player or the standard song box is used. Never both together) */ .embeddedPlayer {margin:1px auto; width:750px;} /* main page: tabbed content headers (fans,stations) */ .tabbedCont_header li a:link, .tabbedCont_header li a:visited {background:#000000; color:#666666; text-decoration:none; margin:0px 20px 0px 0px; padding:3px 6px 3px 6px; border:#666666 solid 1px; border-bottom:none; } .tabbedCont_header li a:hover {color:white;} .tabbedCont_header li.selected a:link, .tabbedCont_header li.selected a:visited {background:#111111; color:#999999; border:#111111 solid 1px; border-top:#999999 solid 1px; font-weight:bold;} /* main page: fans, stations (tabbed content) */ .fansBox {padding:30px 20px 20px 20px; clear:both;} .fansBox a:link, .fansBox a:visited {} .fansBox a:hover {} .fancount {background:#111111; color:#666666; text-align:right; padding:3px 5px; margin-bottom:8px; font-size:11px; font-weight:normal; border-bottom:#232323 dashed 1px; border-top:#222222 solid 1px; } .fancount a:link, .fancount a:visited {color:#B8B8B8; text-decoration:none;} .fancount a:hover {color:#E6E6E6; text-decoration:none;} .fansBox_content {background:url(/images/siteNav/transbgblocks/black/bg_20.png) important; background:#111111;} .fansBoxLastLine {background:#111111; color:#666666; clear:both; text-align:right; padding:3px 5px; margin-top:8px; font-size:11px; font-weight:normal; border-bottom:#222222 solid 1px; border-top:#232323 dashed 1px;} .fansBoxLastLine a:link, .fansBoxLastLine a:visited {color:#B8B8B8; text-decoration:none;} .fansBoxLastLine a:hover {color:#E6E6E6; text-decoration:none;} .stationItem {clear:both; color:black; border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; padding:0px 1px 0px 1px;} .stationPicBox {float:left;} .stationPics {width:70px; height:70px; background-position:center center; background-repeat: no-repeat; margin:0px 0px 1px 0px; overflow:hidden} .stationButtonsBox {float:left; padding:2px 15px 0px 5px; height:60px;} .stationsText {color:#999999; height:80px; overflow:hidden;} .stationlink a:link, .stationlink a:visited {color:#999999; font-size:16px; text-decoration:none;} .stationlink a:hover {color:#ff0000; text-decoration:underline;} /* music page */ .songsBox {border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; width:510px; float:left; padding-bottom:2px; margin-bottom:10px;} .songsBox a:link, .songsBox a:visited {text-decoration:none;} .songsBox a:hover {text-decoration:underline;} a.songtitle:link, a.songtitle:visited {color:#999999; text-decoration:none; font-size:16px; font-weight:bold;} a.songtitle:hover {color:#ff0000; text-decoration:underline;} .songsBox .actionlinks {font-size:14px;} /* the links for full song info, add to station, rate this song... */ .songsBox .topSong {color:#666666; float:left; text-align:left; font-size:13px;} /* comments page */ .commentsWelcome {background:; color:#cccccc; margin:0px 20px 20px 20px; padding:20px; border:#4b4b4b solid 1px;} .commentsBox {border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; padding-top:5px;} .commentsBox a:link, .commentsBox a:visited {text-decoration:none;} .commentsBox a:hover {text-decoration:underline;} .commentsBox .songComment {border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; font-size:11px; padding:1px 3px; margin-bottom:5px;} .commentsBox .postdate {color:#666666; font-size:13px; font-weight:normal; text-align:right; margin:0px 5px 10px 0px;} .commentsBox .postdate a:link, .commentsBox .postdate a:visited {text-decoration:none;} /* for delete/edit links */ .commentsBox .postdate a:hover {text-decoration:underline;} .commentsBox .comment {font-size:14px; padding:0px 5px 0px 140px;} .commentsBox .bandSignature {border-top:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; color:#666666; width:310px; margin-top:15px; line-height:20px;} .commentsBox .ratingsBox {float:right; width:220px; border-left:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; margin-bottom:10px;} .ratingsBox .label {width:115px; text-align:right; float:left; padding-right:20px;} /* also used for .commentsPostBox .ratingsBox */ .commentsPostBox {padding:10px; margin:20px 0px; background:#FFCC99; color:#000000; border-top:black solid 2px; border-bottom:black solid 1px;} .commentsPostBox .ratingsBox {background:#ECECEC; color:#000000; clear:both; padding:7px 0px; margin:0px 250px 20px 30px;} /* video page */ .videoBox {background:black; color:#E0E0E0; padding:5px; line-height:22px;} .videoBox .video {padding:20px; margin-bottom:10px;} .videoBox .title {text-align:center; background:#121212; color:#F3F3F3; font-size:16px; padding:1px;} .videoBox .labels {color:#666666; width:200px; padding-right:20px; text-align:right; float:left;} .videoBox .info {float:left; width:440px;} .videoBox a:link, .videoBox a:visited {color:#0099CC; text-decoration:none; font-size:11px;} .videoBox a:hover {color:red; text-decoration:underline;} .videoListBox {border-top:#4b4b4b dashed 1px;} /* photo pages */ .photopage {background:black;} .selectedPhoto_box {text-align:center;} .selectedPhoto_box .selPhoto_title {background:#111111; color:#cccccc; border-bottom:#666666 solid 1px; font-size:15px; padding:4px;} .photolist {padding:10px 0px 0px 30px;} .photolist .photobox {background:none; float:left; width:118px; height:180px; margin:5px 0px 20px 10px; padding:5px 0px 10px 0px; overflow:hidden; cursorointer; text-align:center;} .photobox .photo {height:150px; width:118px; overflow:hidden;} .photobox .photoComment {color:#444444; font-size:11px;} .photolist .photobox_on {background:#222222; float:left; width:118px; height:180px; margin:5px 0px 20px 10px; padding:5px 0px 10px 0px; overflow:hidden; cursorointer; text-align:center;} .photobox_on .photo {height:150px; width:118px; overflow:hidden;} .photobox_on .photoComment {color:#999999; font-size:11px;} /* reviews page */ .reviewsBox {padding:10px 30px; border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px;} .reviewsBox .rev_headline {color:#cccccc; font-size:16px; font-weight:bold;} .reviewsBox .rev_text {padding:5px 5px 5px 30px; font-size:14px;} .reviewsBox .rev_source {text-align:right; font-size:13px; color:#666666;} /* licensing page */ .licenseSummary {margin:0px 20px 20px 20px; padding:20px; background:; color:#cccccc; border:#4b4b4b solid 2px;} .licenses {margin-top:70px;} .licenses .headline {font-size:14px;} .lic_tableSongs {border:none;} .lic_tableSongs .columnHeaders td {border-bottom:#4b4b4b solid 1px; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px;} .lic_tableSongs tr td {border-bottom:#4b4b4b dashed 1px; padding:5px 0px;} /* widgets page */ .widgetMargin { padding:8px 0px 8px 35px;} .widgetSpacer {width:100; height:15px; clear:both;} /* tag cloud */ .tagCloud {padding:10px;} .tagCloud .cloudItem {float:left; padding:2px; white-space:nowrap; margin:0 6px 0 0;} .tagCloud .cloudItem:hover {background:#005782; color:white; cursorointer;} .tagCloud .cloudS10 {font-size:10px; color:#aaaaaa;} .tagCloud .cloudS20 {font-size:11px; color:#aaaaaa;} .tagCloud .cloudS30 {font-size:11px; color:#999999;} .tagCloud .cloudS40 {font-size:12px; color:#999999;} .tagCloud .cloudS50 {font-size:14px; color:#666666;} .tagCloud .cloudS60 {font-size:16px; color:#666666;} .tagCloud .cloudS70 {font-size:18px; color:#333333;} .tagCloud .cloudS80 {font-size:22px; color:#333333;} .tagCloud .cloudS90 {font-size:28px; color:#111111; } .tagCloud .cloudS100 {font-size:36px; color:#111111;} .tagCloudMore {padding:6px 0 0 0; margin:0 10px; text-align:center; border-top:#ccc solid 1px; font-size:11px;} .tagCloudMore a, .tagCloudMore a:link, .tagCloudMore a:visited {color:#999; text-decoration:none;} .tagCloudMore a:hover {color:red; text-decoration:underline; cursorointer;} Hi, did not know if to post this in css, html or javascript forum Anyway, I have done a slideshow wich uses css, javascript and mootools. Works like a charm, however if I turn javascript off I have the small images and url of the large images all over the content of the page, awful. noscript does not work, If I add a noscript, I get the noscript text, but also all images and url all over the page. I did found a way adding a css rule inside the noscript tag, however that dont validate, you cant put css there, and I want the site to validate. So how should I do it? Been trying many ways and none works. The images are displayed in the html like this: Code: <div id="dg-image-gallery" class="dg-image-gallery"> <div class="dg-image-gallery-image"> <img class="dg-image-gallery-thumb" alt="Images properties for rent in Marbella." src="nuevas/casa_blanca_4_house_pool-2.jpg"> <span class="dg-image-gallery-caption">The house and heated pool</span> <span class="dg-image-gallery-large-image-path">nuevas/casa_blanca_4_house_pool.jpg</span> And the javascript in the html page is like this: <script type="text/javascript"> var gallery = new DG.ImageGallery({ el : 'dg-image-gallery', autoplay : { pause : 2 } }); </script> Thanks in advance, Helen Hi guys Please help me out. This webpage should look like this: But in some browsers the photograph (bottom right hand floating DIV with background image) does not load! WHY?! Thanks! Can someone solve this issue for me, is this an IE6 bug that requires a workaround, or a dimwhitted designer who needs a new brain? It works fine in FF, but displays 2 lists of buttons in IE6 (one below another in 2 rows) This may be to do with my (currently very untidy) coding, or maybe it is a browser bug? Any ideas? css: #nav-menu ul { font-family:Times New Roman, Arial; font-size:12px; list-style: none; padding: 2px; margin: 0; position: absolute; left:312px; top:94px; vertical-align:middle; height: 29px; display:inline; } #nav-menu li { float: left; margin: 0 2px; padding: 0; text-align: center } #nav-menu li a { background-image:url(../img/btn.jpg); height: 22px; line-height: 22px; float: left; width: 75px; display: inline; color: #FFF; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; vertical-align:middle; } #nav-menu li a:hover { background-color:transparent; height: 22px; line-height: 22px; float: left; width:75px; display: inline; color: #036; text-decoration: none; text-align: center; vertical-align:middle; } #nav-menu{ width:600px; height:25px; } html: <div id="nav-menu"> <ul name="navigation"> <li><a href="/xhtml/index.xhtml" target="_self">Home</a></li> <li><a href="/xhtml/galleryindex.xhtml" target="_self">Gallery</a></li> <li><a href="/xhtml/contact.xhtml" target="_self">Contact</a></li> <li><a href="/xhtml/photog.xhtml" target="_self">Photog</a></li> <li><a href="/xhtml/links.xhtml" target="_self">Links</a></li> <li><a href="/xhtml/college.xhtml" target="_self">College</a></li> </ul> </div> Sorry about the messiness of the code, but I have been ripping it to bits to try and sort this as fast as possible, it has me stumped now though, I keep confusing myself. Any help greatly appreciated. Thx in advance. And here's the URL www.markhankins.co.uk/fostek/test/index.html Fist of all, i am fairly new to css, so all my code is probably somewhat incorrect. My problem is with my nav bar. I can get it to work with FF and IE, but not both at the same time. Here is the my website : http://www.thekiwieffect.com/ The css: the part commented out makes it not work with IE but it does work with FF, but when i put it in, it's the other way around. Can anyone figure out why? Right not the navbar is set up to work with IE but not FF. It looks like it's wraping or something in FF. The html part is at the bottom of the post. Code: #logonav{ margin-top : 0px; margin-left : auto; width : 588px; display : inline; } #logonav ul { margin : 0; padding : 0; white-space : nowrap; list-style : none; } /* #navbar img{ float : left; } */ #logonav li { float : left; background : url(http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/button_up.gif) no-repeat; width : 98px; text-align : center; margin-left : 0px; /* button spacing from each other */ } #logonav li a { font : Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; text-decoration : none; display : block; line-height : 43px; /* trick provided by trx */ height : 43px; color : #cf0202; font-size: 11px; font-weight: bold; } #logonav li a:hover { background : url(http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/button_down.gif) no-repeat; color : #494949; } html: Code: <td colspan='2'> <span id='navbar'> <img width='74' border='0' height='43' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/grade.gif' /><img height='43' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/nav_left.jpg' width='3' /> <div id='logonav'> <ul> <li> <a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/gallery'>Image Gallery</a> </li> <li> <a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/forum'>Forum</a> </li> <li> <a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/news'>News</a> </li> <li> <a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/games'>Games</a> </li> <li><a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/index.php'>To be added</a> </li> <li><a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/index.php'>To be added</a> </li> </ul> </div> <img height='43' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/nav_right.jpg' width='3' /> <img height='43' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/grade.gif' width='50' border='0' /> <a href='http://www.thekiwieffect.com'> <img height='43' alt='Home' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/m08.gif' width='28' border = '0' /></a> <a href='mailto:thethreesombreros@thekiwieffect.com'><img height='43' alt='E-Mail' src='http://www.thekiwieffect.com/img/m09.gif' width='34' border='0' /></a> </span> </td></tr> And the table tag it's in looks like this: <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="780" align="center"> thanks |