CSS - Margin Dilemma
I am getting a 9px left margin that I do not understand. Here is a simple example;
#logobar { background-color: #ddb; color: #000; border: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0; text-align: left; height: 50px; background-image: url(primarynav.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat; } I get my brown bar across the top of the screen, but it is indented by 9px on the left. Any idea why? Similar TutorialsHi Everyone, I was wondering if CSS supports the target attribute which is used with the anchor tag. That way if you have the same target in multiple anchor tags you only have to change it in one place. For example, target="_parent". Now if this used in five anchor <a> tags then you only have to set it in CSS once. If it exists. Does any one know the syntax for the target attribute if it exists in CSS? Thanks in advance, Val Ok.. Look at this page: www.zepcom.dk/www/index.php Here we have a small text and a news box... The small text is floated to the left and the news box is floated to the right.. The problem is however, that I wan't the news box to be farther up, and the text to sort of like dance around it.. Like if you put a picture in a word document (or similar)... so the text just fits around the news box.. how would I do this? Hi, and thanks for reading. I have a design that I put together in Photoshop without thinking of what I would have to do to make it a reality and then got the okay on it. That was a mistake. I'm now stuck with this. Which is totally fine, but then you hit this, and everything sucks. The problem is he Code: #body {position:absolute; left:101px; top:13px; width:624px; height:100%;} #content {border:solid 3px #000000; background-color:#FFFFFF; width:613px; padding-left:80px;} #content is inside #body. I also have a transparent image I use as a placeholder with a height of 360px, which seems to only really work if I have height:100% in #content. The problem with that is then any page where the content is over 360px, like in the first link, overlaps #content even though it's all inside content as <p>, <table>, <form>, etc. My question is, what can I do to fix this? If there's nothing that will work on CSS 2, then I could always just add some extra lines at the bottom of pages with little content. Problem is, this is going to eventually be backed by a CM used by totally clueless people who won't understand the purpose of the extra lines even if I explained it. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, -colin I've been looking through many, many forums trying to resolve this issue, so please forgive me if there is a solution to this that I've missed. Here's the deal: On some installs of Firefox (4.0), the body is being positioned 28px lower than the top of the screen. I set the <html> tag to have a light blue background to troubleshoot the issue, and now there is a light blue bar across the top of the page, proving that it is the body of the page that is lower than it should be. I thought it was a Firefox "collapsing margin" issue, so I added "margin:0; to almost everything, and it didn't help. I'm trying to do this without having to absolutely position everything. Here's the site: www-dot-myportlandtours-dot-com here's the css: www-dot-myportlandtours-dot-com/wp-content/themes/myportlandtours/style.css Anybody have insight into this? Background info: - I have validated the page and CSS, no problems there - Site is working properly in Firefox and IE, seems to be a margin issue in Safari -This margin issue is not the common Safari bug with a negative margin being applied to a floated element -I am using Safari in a windows environment, I do not have a Mac The problem: -in Safari the top margin on the content either is either not being applied at all or is being interpreted differently -it may be of note that I was having the same issue with IE, but was able to specify an IE specific style sheet for it, I don't believe this is possible in Safari? The website: http://www.lisa-noble.com/test/redo.html The HTML Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <title>Site Test</title> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="redo.css" /> <!--[if IE]> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="iespecific.css" /> <![endif]--> </head> <body> <div id="top_filler"> </div> <div id="left_filler"> </div> <div id="right_filler"> </div> <div id="top_left"> </div> <div id="header"> </div> <div id="top_right"> </div> <div id="content"> <p>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.</p> <p>Etc, etc, etc....</p> </div> <div id="bottom_filler"> </div> <div id="bottom_left"> </div> <div id="bottom_right"> </div> </body> </html> The CSS Code: * { margin: 0; padding: 0; } body { background: #fdd9e9; } div#top_filler { background: url(images/bg_slice_sm.png) repeat-x; width: 100%; height: 164px; position: fixed; top: 0px; z-index: 5; } div#left_filler { background: url(images/left_slice_sm.png) repeat-y; width: 174px; height: 100%; position:fixed; left:0px; z-index: 5; } div#right_filler { background: url(images/right_slice_sm.png) repeat-y; width: 161px; height: 100%; position:fixed; right: 0px; z-index:5; } div#bottom_filler { background: url(images/bottom_slice_sm.png) repeat-x; width: 100%; height: 76px; position: fixed; bottom: 0px; z-index: 5; } div#header { position: fixed; top: 0px; left: 37%; height: 125px; width: 316px; margin: 0 auto; background: url(pink_logo2.png) no-repeat; z-index: 25; } ul.NoBulletNoIndent { list-style-type: none; margin-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px } div#top_left { height: 314px; width: 221px; background: url(images/left_top_corner_sm.png) no-repeat; position: fixed; top: 0px; left: 0px; z-index: 5; } div#bottom_left { height: 175px; width: 176px; background: url(images/left_bottom_corner_sm.png) bottom no-repeat; position: fixed; bottom: 0px; left: 0px; z-index: 5; } div#top_right{ height:174px; width:174px; background: url(images/right_top_corner_sm.png) top no-repeat; position: fixed; top:0px; right: 0px; z-index:5 } div#bottom_right{ height: 602px; width:198px; background: url(images/right_bottom_corner2_sm.png) bottom no-repeat; position: fixed; bottom: 0px; right: 0px; z-index: 5 } div#content { margin: 40px 164px 0px 180px; position: relative; z-index: 1; } Hi! Should I do this? p { margin-top: 2em; margin-bottom: 2em; } or this: p { margin-bottom: 2em; } Same question for headers (h1, h2, etc) Thanks! Heya guys, Hope someone can help me with this one. Been looking around the web but most are suggesting to do what i have already done. I've got this in style.css file: Code: /* SEARCH Bar */ .lb_bl {background: url(/img/lb_bl.gif) 0 100% no-repeat #E5ECEC} .lb_br {background: url(/img/lb_br.gif) 100% 100% no-repeat} .lb_tl {background: url(/img/lb_tl.gif) 0 0 no-repeat} .lb_tr {background: url(/img/lb_tr.gif) 100% 0 no-repeat; padding: 3px} .clear {font-size: 1px; height: 1px} .topform { position: absolute; right: 5px; top: 65px; width: 300px; font-size: 10px; font-family: myriad, verdana, sans-serif; text-align: right; } input, form { font-size: 11px; font-family: myriad, verdana, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; } /* End of SEARCH Bar */ Which refers to this part of my index.php page: Code: <!-- Top right SEARCH --> <div class="topform"> <div class="lb_bl"> <div class="lb_br"> <div class="lb_tl"> <div class="lb_tr"> <form name="form" id="form" method="post" action=""><input name="search" type="text" /> <input name="search" type="button" value="SEARCH" /></form> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="clear"> </div> </div> <!-- End of top right SEARCH --> But i am still getting a space below the form in IE (firefox is perfect). What should i do? You can see an example of the page at www.theresortwarehouse.com Thanks in advance to anyone who can help - Gaz Hi all Take a look at this in Firefox and then in IE7: http://www.josh.ch/files/temp/ie7_margin_bug/formulare.html The text input and the textarea fields have a strange margin on the left in IE7 that shouldn't be there. It seems to be "inherited" by the outher paragraph, just change the value in css/general.css on line 29 to see it happen. FF and IE6 behave well, IE7 doesn't. Interestingly, the select field (and all the other fields like radio buttons and checkboxes) don't have this problem. I did a search and found this link: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/floatIndent.html Seems to be something like that, but the display:inline fix didn't help. the only way I see is a minus margin for the text input and textarea fields for IE7 only, but maybe there's a cleaner way? Thanks a lot for help :-) Josh Hi there, I have recently stumbled about a problem I had with another website I made as well, but since it was at the very bottom back then I kinda ignored it. My new website has this right in the header though, and so I decided to ask for help. Works perfectly in Gecko based browsers, though. I have the problem that I have to Div's right after each other which both have a top and bottom margin of zero, but there is a visible gap between them, only in IE though (header and content as well as content and footer) and in Opera 7.54 at the very bottom. The colors of the background PNG are also broken in IE, never mind that, will exchange that with a JPG. Website in question is http://cyxxon.com, WordPress with my own template. Had the same problem with a website completely handcoded by me. Any ideas? Thomas Hi, Im creating a list that shows a photo and personal data of people. It's he http://tiregarfio.byethost17.com/web/frontend_dev.php/miembros username: fer password: m When i load it with IE6 i can see the list, but between the photos there are little space. I FF there isn't any space. Is that the bug of the "doubled margin" of IE6? Regards Javi I must be really dumb or blind here... For some reason i cant seem to get div.show_listing to actually move up. Sorry for my ignorance here in CSS, but i learn as i go. css Code: Original - css Code .container { display: block; margin-top: -32px; margin-left: 3px; width: 780px; overflow: hidden; border: 1px solid #cccccc; } /* Start Mac IE5 filter \*/ div.left_menu, div.show_listing { padding-bottom: 32767px !important; margin-bottom: -32767px !important; } /* End Mac IE5 Filter */ div.left_menu { margin-top: -32px; width: 150px; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; height: 250px; background: #fbfbfb; border: 1px solid #cccccc; } div.show_listing { margin-top: -32px; margin-left: 155px; width: 620px; border: 1px solid #cccccc; }
html Code: Original - html Code <div class="container"> <div class="left_menu"> <div style="float: left;"> {link_one} </div> </div> <!-- This part is actually on a separate script.. it gets parsed via php --> <div class="show_listing"> <div style="float: left;"> -listing_text- fsdfsadf<br> </div> </div> </div> <div class="container"> <div class="left_menu"> <div style="float: left;"> {link_one} </div> </div> <!-- This part is actually on a separate script.. it gets parsed via php --> <div class="show_listing"> <div style="float: left;"> -listing_text- fsdfsadf<br> </div> </div> </div> Again sorry for my ignorance. ( just incase its viewable here ) i am having a serious issue with ie 7 i really need help. i am using a center layout using 900px the center layout looks and works fine in all browsers except for ie7 i have used a border for the wrapper tag. what i have noticed only in the case of ie7 is the left border for the wrapper tag starts a few pixels 2px or 3px before compared to all other browsers and due to this in ie7 the right border ends a few pixels when compared to all other browsers. so if i can fix the left border the right border for the wrapper tag will adjust automatically. i am using a valid xhtml transitional document. following is my code. ------------------------------- <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" /> <title>Background image</title> <style type="text/css"> body { text-align: center; margin: 0; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; } #wrapper { width: 900px; text-align: left; margin: 0 auto; border: 1px solid #ffff00; } p{ margin: 0; padding: 0; } </style> </head> <body> <div id="wrapper"> <p>Content </p> </div></body></html> ------------------------------- can someone please tell me what the issue is and what the code should be. i would highly appreciate any help as this is an issue in ie7 and not in other browsers. thanks. Hello, I am working on my website w w w . pujckyvcr . c z and there is problem with IE. Firefox is ok, in top menu, there is text with same margin from top and bottom. When you look on it in IE, text is 1px upper and text is more to up. Then hover isn't symmetrical from top and bottom in menu. Do you know how to fix thix IE bug? Thanks you, Jiri Hi All, I am having a hard time aligning an element on my site. The problem is I am floating an element to the left and it wont cross all the way to the right, its like the margin to the right doesnt exist and the text goes to the next line when there is room (so it seems) to the right. Go to j4media.com to see what I mean...look in the sidebar and the problem is in the first bullet under the 'recent message board posts'. Here's the CSS: Code: .sidecnt { /* individual container in sidebar */ background: #040c0f url(jimg/sb_bg1.jpg) repeat-x; width: 245px; height: auto; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 6px solid #172e34; padding: 2px 2px 7px 2px; }.sidecnt h2 { /* container title image */ float: left; } .sidecnt h3 { /* container title */ float: right; color:#050608; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight:bold; font-size: 10px; }.sidecnt h4 { /* tag text */ float:left; margin: 25px -12px 2px 1px; /* top, right, bottom, left */ padding-bottom: 5px; font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; } .sidecnt1 { /* individual container in sidebar - other than tag box */ background: #FFFFFF url(jimg/sb_bg1.jpg) repeat-x; width: 245px; height: auto; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 6px solid #172e34; padding: 2px 2px 7px 2px; }.sidecnt1 h2 { /* container title image */ float: left; } .sidecnt1 h3 { /* container title */ float: right; color:#050608; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight:bold; font-size: 10px; }.sidecnt1 h4 { /* text elements */ float:left; margin: 25px -12px 2px 1px; /* top, right, bottom, left */ padding-bottom: 5px; font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; } .sidecnt1 ul { float:left; margin-top: 25px; /*top, right, bottom, left*/ padding-bottom: 1px; font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; } and here's the HTML: Code: <div class="sidebar"> <div class="sidecnt"> <h2><img src="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)"></h2> <h3>j4media tags</h3> <h4> <?php UTW_ShowWeightedTagSetAlphabetical("coloredsizedtagcloud","",0) ?> </h4> </div> <br> <div class="sidecnt1"> <h2><img src="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)"></h2> <h3>Subscribe</h3> <div class="subscriberss"> <form name="subsform"> <a href="#"><img src="<? echo get_settings('home')."/wp-content/themes/i-feel-dirty/img/";?>feedicon.gif" alt="RSS" /></a> <a href="<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>" class="rsstext">RSS</a> <select name="aggs"> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Bloglines</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Feedness</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">My Yahoo!</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=rss&ut=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">My MSN</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">NetVibes</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Newsgator</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Rezzibo</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Rojo</option> <option value="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)/faves?add=<? echo get_bloginfo('rss_url');?>">Technorati</option> </select> <a href="#" class="btnnofloat" onclick="window.location.href = document.subsform.aggs.options[document.subsform.aggs.selectedIndex].value;"><img src="<? echo get_settings('home')."/wp-content/themes/i-feel-dirty/img/";?>okbutton.gif" title="ok btn" alt="ok" /></a> </form> </div> </div> <div class="sidecnt1"> <h3>Recent Message Board Posts</h3> <ul> <?php if (function_exists('wpphpbb_topics')):?> <? wpphpbb_topics();?> <?php endif;?> </ul> </div> <div class="sidecnt1"> <h3>Categories</h3> <ul> <?php wp_list_cats('sort_column=name&optioncount=1&hierarchical=0'); ?> </ul> </div> <div class="sidecnt1"> <?php /* If this is the frontpage */ if ( is_home() ) { ?> <?php if(get_links(-1,'', '','', false, 'name',false,false,-1, false, false)){ ?> <h3>Blogroll</h3> <ul><? get_links(-1,'<li>', '</li>','', false, 'name',false,false,-1, false, true); ?></ul> <? } ?> </div> <div class="sidecnt1"> <h3>Site Tools</h3> <ul> <?php wp_register(); ?> <li><?php wp_loginout(); ?></li> <li><a href="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)" title="This page validates as XHTML 1.0 Transitional">Valid <abbr title="eXtensible HyperText Markup Language">XHTML</abbr></a></li> <li><a href="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)/xfn/"><abbr title="XHTML Friends Network">XFN</abbr></a></li> <li><a href="(URL address blocked: See forum rules)/" title="Powered by WordPress, state-of-the-art semantic personal publishing platform.">WordPress</a></li> <?php wp_meta(); ?> </ul> <?php } ?> </div> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> <br></div> Thanks in advance for your help! Jrexi Thanks for taking the time to read my question. My page has a container with only the left and right borders showing. I want to center it. If I put in margin values that look right in FF, they are way off in IE. I suspect that there is a difference in where IE starts counting from and where FF starts counting from. FF seems to be counting from the parent container, where as I am not sure where IE is counting from. How can I fix this? Thanks, Brad HTML: Code: <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="description" content=""> <meta name="keywords" content=""> <meta name="author" content="piercedjunkmail@hotmail.com"> <meta name="generator" content="AceHTML 5 Freeware"> <link href="TestLayoutCSS.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> <title>Test Layout 1</title> </head> <body> <div id="HeaderContainer"></div> <div id="PageTitle">This is the title of the page</div> <div id="MajorLeftMainContainer"> <div id="LeftMainContainer"></div> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <hr class="CenterVert" /><br /> <hr class="CenterVert" /> </div> <div id="MajorRightTopContainer"> <div id="RightTopContainer"></div> <div id="VertLines"></div> <div id="RightCenterContainer"></div> <div id="VertLines"></div> <div id="RightBottomContainer"></div> </div> </body> </html> CSS: Code: @charset "iso-8859-1"; body { font-family: Foo, times, serif; margin: 0px; background-color: #4F9FC5; } #HeaderContainer { height: 50px; width: 100%; /*border-color: green; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px;*/ } #MajorLeftMainContainer { float: left; margin-top: 90px; margin-left: 10px; /*width: 68%;*/ width: 670px; height: 310px; /*background-color: #4F9FC5;*/ background-color: yellow; } #LeftMainContainer { border-top-color: #FFFFFF; border-left-color: #FFFFFF; border-bottom-color: #C0C0C0; border-right-color: #C0C0C0; border-style: solid; border-width: 5px; float: left; width: 80%; height: 300px; background-color: #EAEAEA; } #MajorRightTopContainer { float: left; margin-top: -50px; margin-right: 10px; width: 30%; height: 580px; /*background-color: #4F9FC5;*/ background-color: green; } #RightTopContainer { border-top-color: #FFFFFF; border-left-color: #FFFFFF; border-bottom-color: #C0C0C0; border-right-color: #C0C0C0; border-style: solid; border-width: 5px; float: left; width: 97%; height: 150px; background-color: #EAEAEA; } #RightCenterContainer { border-top-color: #FFFFFF; border-left-color: #FFFFFF; border-bottom-color: #C0C0C0; border-right-color: #C0C0C0; border-style: solid; border-width: 5px; float: left; width: 97%; height: 150px; background-color: #EAEAEA; } #RightBottomContainer { border-top-color: #FFFFFF; border-left-color: #FFFFFF; border-bottom-color: #C0C0C0; border-right-color: #C0C0C0; border-style: solid; border-width: 5px; float: left; width: 97%; height: 150px; background-color: #EAEAEA; } #PageTitle { font-size: 25px; font-family: arial, times, serif; /*border-color: green; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px;*/ width: 340px; height: 35px; margin-top: 40px; margin-left: 25px; color: black; font-variant: small-caps; } #VertLines { border-left-width: 4px; border-left-color: #66CDFF; border-left-style: solid; border-right-width: 4px; border-right-color: #66CDFF; border-right-style: solid; float: right; width: 35px; height: 50px; margin-right: 100px; } hr.CenterVert { vertical-align: middle; border-width: 2px; border-style: solid; border-color: #4F9FC5; } Hi guys, i'm having trouble coding this. page is located at www.graffetto.com . The div on the right hand side is being rendered 1px away from the scroll bar (to the left) in IE, but firefox is correctly rendering it directly next to the scrollbar with no gap. I have already set body margins and padding to 0px all around. is there a way to fix this without using a JS detect browser? I can fix this problem through IE by setting the div margin-right: -1px, but this causes firefox to render the image 1px too far to the right, bringing up the horizontal scrollbar. well here is my code, if anyone can help, id greatly appreciate it! CSS: Code: body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; background-image: url(http://graffetto.com/bg.gif); background-repeat: repeat-x; } #rightcontent { position: absolute; top: 0px; right: 0px; } #centercontent { margin-right: 186px; } HTML: Code: <div id="centercontent"> <img src="left.jpg"> </div> <div id="rightcontent"> <img src="right.jpg" /> </div> page link again: www.graffetto.com Hello, Can anyone explain me why the texts in the following example are not in the same (relative) position? It looks like that in the first container, the margin is actually more than I specified (10px)... I don't get it... :S Thanks, diodorus Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"> <head> <title>Title</title> <style type="text/css"> #container{ margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1000px; background: #ccc; } .block { background: #0ff; float: left; height: 100%; margin: 10px; text-align: left; width: 230px; } .block2 { background: #0ff; float: left; height: 100%; padding: 10px; text-align: left; width: 230px; } </style> </head> <body> <p>First:<p> <div id="container"> <div class="block">aaa</div> <div class="block">bbb</div> <div class="block">ccc</div> <div class="block">ddd</div> </div> <p>Second:<p> <div id="container"> <div class="block2">aaa</div> <div class="block2">bbb</div> <div class="block2">ccc</div> <div class="block2">ddd</div> </div> </body> </html> PHP Code: body { margin: 0px; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10px; background-color: #777; } #bodywrapper { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; width: 750px; background-color: #FFF; } #logo { margin-left: 15px; margin-top: 7px; margin-bottom: 7px; } .image { display: block; } .topnav { float: right; margin-top: 25px; background-image: url( images/line.gif ); } #left { float: left; width: 180px; background-color: #ccc; } #right { float: right; width: 180px; background-color: #ccc; } #center { margin-left: 190px; margin-right: 190px; background-color: #ccc; } #clear { clear: both; } #contentwrapper { margin: 0px; } PHP Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us" /> <link href="/css/layout.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" media="all" /> <title>Petroleum Listing Service</title> </head> <body> <div id="bodywrapper"> <div id="header"> <div class="topnav"> image image image </div> <div id="logo"> <img class="image" src="images/logo.gif" /> </div> </div> <div id="contentwrapper"> <div id="left"> left </div> <div id="right"> right </div> <div id="center"> center </div> <div id="clear"></div> </div> <div id="footer"> </div> </div> </body> </html> The problem I am having is it seems that FF starts rendering the white background only once the image is placed...it doesn't count the margin above it as content I assume... IE however does what I want it to do...renders the margin above the image as content, and thus the white background starts at the very top of the page, thus a white margin between the top of the page and the logo. How do I rectify the problem? I understand that FF is probably doing it right...but how do I make FF also start the white background at the top. Hi, i am very new to css and I am confused about the difference between margin-top vs top please help Regards Ltoso |